Have You rejected God's Message?

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Shad said:
I rejected the claim they are messengers. Instead I concluded they are liars, frauds, delusional and/or misrepresented by their followers. Ergo I rejected your axiom.

As you are free to do so and I am more than happy to accept the rejection.

Thanks for the input.

Regards Tony

Aupmanyav · Dec 17, 2019

Bahais again at proselytization! Why do they do it all the time? Are they paid for it? How does it matter to Bahais whether I accept existence of their Allah or not or their 'manifestation' (sic.)? It is like an army descending on Religious forums. Each day ten more topics from them. It is fun tearing their lies.

Windwalker said:
That's all just "picturesque". The reality of it looks much more elegant than that. Much more real. Much more personal.

Hardly picturesque. I find it hideous, like the snake-oil seller telling me that it will make my rod as hard as iron. We hear it all the time on Indian roads. 'Patthar par maro, tunn ki awaz hogi' (Hit it on a stone, it will ring like a bell).

Trailblazer said:
.. I have not attended any activities. Part of it is my lifestyle and that I am pressed for time, part of it is that I am not very sociable in groups.
My beliefs are based more upon logic than on emotion.

Most of my life has been fraught with suffering, owing to my genetic predisposition to depression and anxiety and my childhood experiences, since my parents were emotionally unavailable and they both had problems with alcoholism and other addictions.

There has to be some kind of standard and I think that comes from God through the Messengers of God who are sent in every age.

I can hardly believe that. You have ample time to start topics in Religious forums and reply to posts. It seems that you have no other thing to occupy you.
I do not think Bahais should talk about 'logic' while believing in 'Maids of Heaven'.
I hope you are taking your medicines regularly.
You do not believe in common sense, empathy that without your Allah and 'manifestation', you would not know what is good or bad? You are sure, strange people.

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Aupmanyav said:
Bahais again at proselytization! Why do they do it all the time? Are they paid for it? How does it matter to Bahais whether I accept existence of their Allah or not or their 'manifestation' (sic.)? It is like an army descending on Religious forums. Each day ten more topics from them. It is fun tearing their lies.

Greetings Aupmanyav, great to see you here.

So can we say Aupmanyav again at proselytization! Why do you do it all the time? Are you paid for it? What does it matter to Aupmanyav whether I do not accept atheists or not? Its like any army of Atheists descending upon a religious forum. Each day more godless topics and replies from them. Its fun watching them squirm.

But I would not offer anything like that, I take that all back, maybe no one will see it?

So did you have a response you wanted to offer to the topic, or just more fun?

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Jayhawker Soule said:
That is as presumptuous as it is ignorant.

At the very least, why not just let Jews speak for themselves?

The thread is so you can offer your thought about what was posted.

Would not acceptance be the loudest words? In asking that, I also see that one can choose to see God in all things, but still cling to a single name.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

SigurdReginson said:
I've done much research on religion since then, and though I find it fascinating and often times beautiful, I don't see any new evidence that gods are an aspect of reality. I do value religion's contribution to art and cultural expression and I see much in religion that I can get behind. There are negative aspects to religion as well, but those have been covered ad nauseam, and I like staying positive.

That's the way, well done. To me that answers the OP intent perfectly. I see we are one and all, always looking and it is best to keep that open mind, as to what the future will show us and positive is the key.

Regards Tony

Aupmanyav · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
At least as a Baha'i we know that many more will come, I see the same type of challenge will be faced and we will still make the same mistakes in the future.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of the Ahmadiyyas, Tony; if you do not forget. In India, we have them dime a dozen, 'messengers', charlatans, two in every street. That is why we reject them.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see we are one and all, always looking and it is best to keep that open mind, as to what the future will show us and positive is the key.

If we are one, then forget being a Bahai. Otherwise you cannot be one, you would always be a Bahai.

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Link said:
I studied some Bahai and Babi texts. I reject both but don't believe I have reject the message of God.

While it's important and dire of importance to accept the Messengers of God, it's of equal importance, not to believe in liars and deceivers, and equate human words with divine revelation to humanity in form of scripture.

Thats quite ok Link, that is life, what you see as a being a liar and deceiver may be to me a Message from God and that is this OP - Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Vinayaka said:
No kidding. How many murders have happened because 'God told me to do it.'

None from God, but one Messenger did commit Murder before giving their Message. Food for thought.

Regards Tony

Dawnofhope · Dec 17, 2019

Tumah said:
What does this mean to you?

It is in reference to the Apostle Paul’s Epistle to a church or churches in Rome. The date between 47-57 AD. The church(es) were composed of Jews who had converted to Christianity and to Gentiles. St Paul sought to educate his audience about the nature of Christ and what their nascent faith required of them. My personal take is man is only complete or fulfilled (redemption) when he recognises God’s Prophets and faithfully follows Teachings.

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

adrian009 said:
So what did I say that misrepresented Hinduism again?

Vinayaka said:
You lumped us in with 'all religions'. Of course you will say it's not insulting. I expect that.

Trailblazer said:
Hinduism is not a religion?
Last I checked on the internet it is one of the largest religions in the world.

Vinayaka said:
You missed the post. It was something like saying 'All religions believe in Baha'u'llah.' Stating something about all religions agreeing on something, when they don't.

Post 22 said Other Faiths, not all Faiths

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

Aupmanyav said:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of the Ahmadiyyas, Tony; if you do not forget. In India, we have them dime a dozen, 'messengers', charlatans, two in every street. That is why we reject them.If we are one, then forget being a Bahai. Otherwise you cannot be one, you would always be a Bahai.

Why would I want to forget what it is to be a Baha'i, this is part of it;

“You must become distinguished for loving humanity, for unity and accord, for love and justice. In brief, you must become distinguished in all the virtues of the human world—for faithfulness and sincerity, for justice and fidelity, for firmness and steadfastness, for philanthropic deeds and service to the human world, for love toward every human being, for unity and accord with all people, for removing prejudices and promoting international peace”

Why is it you could not live with someone that says they are a Baha'i when that is the goal. I am happy to live with any other Faith, is that not their aim as well?

Regards Tony

Aupmanyav · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
So can we say Aupmanyav again at proselytization! Why do you do it all the time? Are you paid for it? What does it matter to Aupmanyav whether I do not accept atheists or not? Its like any army of Atheists descending upon a religious forum. Each day more godless topics and replies from them. Its fun watching them squirm.

I am a retired person (77). I have time on my hands, and I like to engage in religious discussions. You have your House of Justice managing the Bahai finance, we have no such institution in Hinduism. Who would pay? Moreover, my views are not main-line Hinduism. Why would a main-line Hindu organization pay a strong atheist? I have never heard of a 'paid atheist', though proselytizers, missionaries, ulema are paid. Atheists are tough people, they are not hiding behind lies, they have no reason to squirm.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
“You must become distinguished for loving humanity, for unity and accord, .."

What you actually do is to call every other faith as inadequate compared to what you believe. Is that Unity?

Dawnofhope · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Post 22 said Other Faiths, not all Faiths

Regards Tony

The irony did not go unnoticed on you either. I’m being accused of misrepresenting Hinduism when I’ve done no such thing. I haven’t mentioned Hinduism in this thread. So actually I’m the one who is being misrepresented.

dybmh · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see these themes throughout the Religious Scriptures.

In the end I see life needs us to contemplate an live virtuous lives. You know your always welcome in discussions, there is no compulsion ever

I think it quite ironic so many state the finality of their Faith and at the same time more come that show that is not so. At least as a Baha'i we know that many more will come, I see the same type of challenge will be faced and we will still make the same mistakes in the future.

Regards Tony

Just like all friendships, Tony...

The more I get to know you, the more I appreciate your point of view.

I am a difficult student... I always have been, and I probably always will be this way...

That means that I am always asking the hard questions. And I am unrelenting in pursuit of answers to my questions. This is not easy or fun for any of my teachers, past or present.

But... it's not all bad.

I recognize truth and sincerity like it is a bright neon sign. Authenticity and honesty is what i value most. And you have that. More than most, if you don't mind the compliment.

I hope that we have many years to continue to develop this friendship that we have started. I feel that there is a lot that we can learn from each other.

Blessings,

LuisDantas · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
That seems to be the case for many people.

I have read it is a bounty to be faced with the choice and also there is an event that triggered life to offer that choice?

Are you asking me if that is how things happen?

If you are... no, I don't think so.

If that is so, maybe you may face that one day, who knows?

Everything is possible, but I had plenty of exposure to the God-messenger way of thinking. It just doesn't resonate in me.

Sometimes people assume that I am somehow seeking God and/or its message.

That could not be less true if I wanted it to be.

I do enjoy your posts, as I see you do look for a balance. Regards Tony

I do seek a balance. And that led me to appreciate the benefits of letting go of baggage, although I am rather lousy at following my own advice.

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

dybmh said:
I hope that we have many years to continue to develop this friendship that we have started. I feel that there is a lot that we can learn from each other.

Blessings,

Blessing to you always dybmh. Life would be great if we all built one friendship at a time. Your posts have a great balance to learn from, a balance I find hard to control these days.

I have met a few people I have to come to know on the net, it is like meeting up with an old friend.

Regards Tony

exchemist · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I think that would be a choice one would make, to see if it is actually, possibly so.

If one did that with pure heart, I am sure one would soon know. All the Holy Books offer, that any request from the heart, will find an answer.

Regards Tony

What does this mean? If one did what with a pure heart?

oldbadger · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Have You rejected God's Message?

No!

Baha'u'llah has said in a prayer;

"... Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity..."

That is the discussion.

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Regards Tony

No.

TransmutingSoul · Dec 17, 2019

oldbadger said:
No!
No.

Then all is good. You can sail along in life holding that tiller with all confidence.

Regards Tony

sayak83 · Dec 17, 2019

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The title is supported by each faith in each of the Messages given, in one way or another, where rejection of the Message is lack of Faith in God.

Thus for a Jew, A Christian, A Muslim and many others, of other Faiths, this results in the thought process that others have rejected God by not accepting the Message they hold to.

Baha'u'llah has said in a prayer;

"... Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity..."

That is the discussion.

Have you rejected a Message given by God?

Regards Tony

The concept of God giving messages do not make much sense to me. I accept and reject things based on reflecting on its merit regardless of where it originates.

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