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Yeshua Warned Baha'u'llah's "I Am" Statements are False

Do you think Baha'u'llah is guilty of causing "I Am" consciousness idolatry?

  • Guilty

    Votes: 4 50.0%
  • Not Guilty

    Votes: 4 50.0%

  • Total voters
    8

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

When we examine the Gospels using the Strongs reference numbers to see the Greek references; it is very clear Yeshua didn't go around using "I Am" statements in Greek ("Ego I-mee"), and used them specifically for the God Most High - The Ultimate Source of our Reality.

It is physically impossible for a being to become the Source of reality, the "I Am" consciousness, as we're down near Hell; as it would mean the Source would become corrupted, like the nature of the materialistic reality.

These from the Kitab-i-Aqdas, clearly show Baha'u'llah is guilty of charges of teaching a being can be "I Am" consciousness:

160. Bahá’u’lláh also affirms that, in the spiritual realm, there is an “essential unity” between all the Manifestations of God. They all reveal the “Beauty of God,” manifest His names and attributes, and give utterance to His Revelation. In this regard, He states:
Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.

And, regarding His own relationship to God, He testifies:
When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things “verily I am God!”; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!


What people do not realize is all "I Am" consciousness - where people think they are their own mini gods down here near Hell, are to be removed shortly in a day by Holy Quantum Fire; as they are ego ("I Am") driven Tares - The Source has no "I Am" within it, and rejects it according to the texts:

Isaiah 47:8-10 “Now therefore hear this, you who are given to pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me. I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children.’ (9) But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children and widowhood. They will come on you in their full measure, in the multitude of your sorceries, and the great abundance of your enchantments. (10) For you have trusted in your wickedness. You have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and your knowledge has perverted you. You have said in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’


The terminology to 'hear the words in his heart' is a paraphrasing of Deuteronomy 29:19-27, where the Lake of Fire washes mankind, removing all the idolators in a Day; those who worship themselves as gods claiming they have "Peace", as they don't listen to the words prophesied globally are to be removed.

Then after we shall reign in the Age of Enlightenment; where everyone who understands the Source is beyond form, hasn't got an "I Am" consciousness.

Israel means "To Reign with the Source".

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
The Baha'i Writings support the New Testament as being mostly authentic including the Gospel of John that has seven "I am" statements made by Jesus.

Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.(John 6:35)

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” (John 8:12)

I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture.(John 10:9)

“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” (John 10:11)

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.” (John 11:25-26)

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.” (John 15:5)

The meanings of these verses are many and are profound particularly as to the question of the Relationship between humanity, the Son and the Father.

Baha'u'llah completely validates the way Jesus uses "I am" statements in the Gospel of John when He writes in the Kitab-i-Iqan:

Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The Baha'i Writings support the New Testament as being mostly authentic including the Gospel of John that has seven "I am" statements made by Jesus.
The Gospel of John is clearly made up, and that can be established independently, with well over 30 contradictions in testimony; that can be established in a legal court of Law.

Yeshua's own statements in Matthew, Mark, Luke (Synoptic Gospels) are a clear witness, and any human being can go to this link (G1473 G1510) to see the differences in vocabulary.

Yeshua prophesied the deception happen at the beginning of each of the eschatologies in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21; all showing the false "I Am" ("Ego I-mee") vocabulary will happen first - Before the 2nd temple destruction in the timeline.

The Gospel of John defiles Jewish moral Law on purpose to test people: It is systematically made up as an observation mechanism of people's morality IQ; to see if they're paying attention to contexts or just seeking reward.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

When we examine the Gospels using the Strongs reference numbers to see the Greek references; it is very clear Yeshua didn't go around using "I Am" statements in Greek ("Ego I-mee"), and used them specifically for the God Most High - The Ultimate Source of our Reality.

It is physically impossible for a being to become the Source of reality, the "I Am" consciousness, as we're down near Hell; as it would mean the Source would become corrupted, like the nature of the materialistic reality.

These from the Kitab-i-Aqdas, clearly show Baha'u'llah is guilty of charges of teaching a being can be "I Am" consciousness:

160. Bahá’u’lláh also affirms that, in the spiritual realm, there is an “essential unity” between all the Manifestations of God. They all reveal the “Beauty of God,” manifest His names and attributes, and give utterance to His Revelation. In this regard, He states:
Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.

And, regarding His own relationship to God, He testifies:
When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things “verily I am God!”; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!


What people do not realize is all "I Am" consciousness - where people think they are their own mini gods down here near Hell, are to be removed shortly in a day by Holy Quantum Fire; as they are ego ("I Am") driven Tares - The Source has no "I Am" within it, and rejects it according to the texts:

Isaiah 47:8-10 “Now therefore hear this, you who are given to pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me. I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children.’ (9) But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children and widowhood. They will come on you in their full measure, in the multitude of your sorceries, and the great abundance of your enchantments. (10) For you have trusted in your wickedness. You have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and your knowledge has perverted you. You have said in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’


The terminology to 'hear the words in his heart' is a paraphrasing of Deuteronomy 29:19-27, where the Lake of Fire washes mankind, removing all the idolators in a Day; those who worship themselves as gods claiming they have "Peace", as they don't listen to the words prophesied globally are to be removed.

Then after we shall reign in the Age of Enlightenment; where everyone who understands the Source is beyond form, hasn't got an "I Am" consciousness.

Israel means "To Reign with the Source".

In my opinion. :innocent:

Like most views this reflects a subjective assessment of scripture to justify ones own world view. The objective reality is that all humans do this, My objection to this as with all ancient worldviews is that it is a justification of only one scriptural cultural view from the Torah perspective, which neglects the more likely reality IF God exists the universal relationship with the "I AM" consciousness is in the evolving diverse expression of all the religions and cultures since humans were first human.

In this light it is not true nor false from the fallible human perspective.

Today we can climb the mountain high enough to see that ALL are climbing the same mountain in all very human humility. It is time we stop hiding in Plato's Cave.

This demonstrates that your view of Oneness is from only one narrow cultural perspective.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The Gospel of John is clearly made up, and that can be established independently, with well over 30 contradictions in testimony; that can be established in a legal court of Law.

Yeshua's own statements in Matthew, Mark, Luke (Synoptic Gospels) are a clear witness, and any human being can go to this link (G1473 G1510) to see the differences in vocabulary.

Yeshua prophesied the deception happen at the beginning of each of the eschatologies in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21; all showing the false "I Am" ("Ego I-mee") vocabulary will happen first - Before the 2nd temple destruction in the timeline.

The Gospel of John defiles Jewish moral Law on purpose to test people: It is systematically made up as an observation mechanism of people's morality IQ; to see if they're paying attention to contexts or just seeking reward.

In my opinion. :innocent:

If you take this line of reasoning to the logical rational conclusion, and by the way the evidence, ALL the ancient scripture of the Bible including the Torah, is an edited redacted after the fact compilation that has very very weak provenance.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

When we examine the Gospels using the Strongs reference numbers to see the Greek references; it is very clear Yeshua didn't go around using "I Am" statements in Greek ("Ego I-mee"), and used them specifically for the God Most High - The Ultimate Source of our Reality.

It is physically impossible for a being to become the Source of reality, the "I Am" consciousness, as we're down near Hell; as it would mean the Source would become corrupted, like the nature of the materialistic reality.

These from the Kitab-i-Aqdas, clearly show Baha'u'llah is guilty of charges of teaching a being can be "I Am" consciousness:

160. Bahá’u’lláh also affirms that, in the spiritual realm, there is an “essential unity” between all the Manifestations of God. They all reveal the “Beauty of God,” manifest His names and attributes, and give utterance to His Revelation. In this regard, He states:
Were any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God to declare: “I am God!” He, verily, speaketh the truth, and no doubt attacheth thereto. For it hath been repeatedly demonstrated that through their Revelation, their attributes and names, the Revelation of God, His name and His attributes, are made manifest in the world.

And, regarding His own relationship to God, He testifies:
When I contemplate, O my God, the relationship that bindeth me to Thee, I am moved to proclaim to all created things “verily I am God!”; and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!


What people do not realize is all "I Am" consciousness - where people think they are their own mini gods down here near Hell, are to be removed shortly in a day by Holy Quantum Fire; as they are ego ("I Am") driven Tares - The Source has no "I Am" within it, and rejects it according to the texts:

Isaiah 47:8-10 “Now therefore hear this, you who are given to pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me. I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children.’ (9) But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children and widowhood. They will come on you in their full measure, in the multitude of your sorceries, and the great abundance of your enchantments. (10) For you have trusted in your wickedness. You have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and your knowledge has perverted you. You have said in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’


The terminology to 'hear the words in his heart' is a paraphrasing of Deuteronomy 29:19-27, where the Lake of Fire washes mankind, removing all the idolators in a Day; those who worship themselves as gods claiming they have "Peace", as they don't listen to the words prophesied globally are to be removed.

Then after we shall reign in the Age of Enlightenment; where everyone who understands the Source is beyond form, hasn't got an "I Am" consciousness.

Israel means "To Reign with the Source".

In my opinion. :innocent:
More false religious babble. When Christ said " I am" He wasn't talking about some "consciousness". He was talking about exactly the same thing as Jehovah God was talking about when He said I am.

Christ was making clear that He IS Jehovah God in totality. The Alpha and Omega. The beginning and the end..

Regarding any after Him, there can be none who speak with His authority, none who can change one iota of what He taught, none that can say they offer a new way.

There is only one way, one revelation of God.

All others are counterfeit
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
This demonstrates that your view of Oneness is from only one narrow cultural perspective.
I've seen Oneness (Heaven) in my NDE, and as an Archangel who has read many of the world's religions; I'm curious where you feel I've missed?
Like most views this reflects a subjective assessment of scripture to justify ones own world view.
This isn't a subjective view, I was told it by God at 5-6 years old, and it takes ancient Greek to see that Yeshua warns in the texts; where it is clear the world has already been deceived before the Great Tribulation.

Anyone who does a Bible word search with Strongs (G1473 G1510), can see comparatively the vocabulary differences in the Synoptic Gospels Vs the Gospel of John.

The Bible declares this a Snare, and Bed of Adultery to catch out the false prophets; so you can pretend as much as you like the Bible was wrong, yet evidence shows otherwise.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Baha’u’llah has clearly stated that He is not God but that the ‘I am’ is in reference to the Voice of God speaking through Him as in all the Prophets.
We've just posted two references directly from Baha'i texts, Baha'u'llah stated 'Manifestations of God' in Heaven would claim themselves "I Am", this is a reason to be chucked out of Heaven, and sent down here near Hell.

There is no "I Am" presence in Heaven, so he is completely wrong, and does not know what he is talking about.

Buddha, & Lao Tzu removed any "I Am" concepts from the Source: As it is like a CPU in a quantum computer that manifests reality; it is beyond form, and has no personal ID, so it has no self.

In religious texts that have God speaking as "I Am" like Isaiah 52:6, it is making clear that sometimes in speech, because God is speaking through the prophets, the most appropriate language would be "I am speaking these things", as it is to personalize it; yet it does not mean that God the Source of our reality, has an individual self, to be able to claim "I Am" consciousness.

Thus when Baha'u'llah is claiming himself as a Godhead, he does the same as John, Paul, and Simon, as he doesn't realize these are Antichrist's teachings on purpose; which shows he was clearly not the Messiah.

The idea that these Pharisees taught a moral misunderstanding of the Tanakh on purpose, and Baha'u'llah made these false bits into a religion, shows how mankind is down near Hell before Judgement Day.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The Gospel of John is clearly made up, and that can be established independently, with well over 30 contradictions in testimony; that can be established in a legal court of Law.

Yeshua's own statements in Matthew, Mark, Luke (Synoptic Gospels) are a clear witness, and any human being can go to this link (G1473 G1510) to see the differences in vocabulary.

Yeshua prophesied the deception happen at the beginning of each of the eschatologies in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21; all showing the false "I Am" ("Ego I-mee") vocabulary will happen first - Before the 2nd temple destruction in the timeline.

The Gospel of John defiles Jewish moral Law on purpose to test people: It is systematically made up as an observation mechanism of people's morality IQ; to see if they're paying attention to contexts or just seeking reward.

In my opinion. :innocent:
You don't like what John says, so you invalidate his Gospel. Your reasons for invalidation are irrelevant.

Non Canonical letters from those who knew John make it clear that he stood by the Gospel he had written. So, from your perspective the only conclusion to be drawn is that he was a liar.

A court of law ? I fail to see what applying the modern legal rules of evidence to a spiritual document. How do you think a court and jury would react to Mohammed's testimony, or that of Moses ?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I've seen Oneness (Heaven) in my NDE, and as an Archangel who has read many of the world's religions; I'm curious where you feel I've missed?

I actually have missed nothing and my last post stands that it is a fact that your claims are among tens of thousands of individuals making diverse conflicting claims. There is no reason for me to believe you over the claims of tens of thousands of others.

This isn't a subjective view, I was told it by God at 5-6 years old, and it takes ancient Greek to see that Yeshua warns in the texts; where it is clear the world has already been deceived before the Great Tribulation.

It is most definitely 'subjective' by definition that your claim is of your mind only without any objective confirmation outside what you believe.

Anyone who does a Bible word search with Strong's (G1473 G1510), can see comparatively the vocabulary differences in the Synoptic Gospels Vs the Gospel of John.

So what?!?!? All that means is that there were different authors involved. The evidence demonstrates that the gospels and the Bible as a whole is an edited, redacted, and compiled texts with unknown original authors, except for maybe some of the letters by Paul, which of course represent Paul's beliefs..

The Bible declares this a Snare, and Bed of Adultery to catch out the false prophets; so you can pretend as much as you like the Bible was wrong, yet evidence shows otherwise.

In my opinion. :innocent:

Good thing you express this as 'your opinion,' because that is what it is nothing more and nothing less.

No the Bible does not declare this, and it is your interpretation and opinion, one amongst untold many.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
We've just posted two references directly from Baha'i texts, Baha'u'llah stated 'Manifestations of God' in Heaven would claim themselves "I Am", this is a reason to be chucked out of Heaven, and sent down here near Hell.

Incomplete citation out of context. The 'Manifestation of God' is the Manifestation and Bearer of the 'Word of God' and not God incarnate as many traditional Christians believe that Jesus Christ is.

[/QUOTE]

From: Manifestations of God | What Bahá’ís Believe

This process—in which the Manifestations of God have successively provided the guidance necessary for humanity’s social and spiritual evolution—is known as “progressive revelation.” If God were to be likened to the unapproachable sun, the source of all light and life in our own solar system, then the Manifestations of God might be compared to mirrors that perfectly reflect the sun’s light in a form that human beings are capable of comprehending. “These sanctified Mirrors…are one and all the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty.3

Since the purpose of all these divine “mirrors” is one and the same, no distinction should be made between Them. Bahá’u’lláh writes, “If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith.”4

If all the great religions can be considered to be one in essence, founded upon the same reality, how then can we understand the differences—particularly regarding social practices—between the teachings of the various Manifestations of God?

Each Manifestation may be seen as a skilled physician. He has a complete grasp of the nature of the body of humanity and is able to prescribe the appropriate cure for the ills of the world—one that best meets the requirements of the time in which He appears. Referring to His own Revelation in this age, Bahá’u’lláh wrote, “The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy.5
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You don't like what John says, so you invalidate his Gospel.
The Gospel of John is rude about Yeshua, and completely contradicts the Synoptic Gospels on purpose; only those who are only seeking reward, without really caring what Yeshua said, could accept it without noticing.

It is a deliberate morality IQ test to assess mankind, where we have a series of patterns, Matthew, Mark, Luke Vs the Gospel of John.
A court of law ? I fail to see what applying the modern legal rules of evidence to a spiritual document. How do you think a court and jury would react to Mohammed's testimony, or that of Moses ?
Because as someone who we can prove is sent from Heaven with the name of the Messiah:

We are either going to organize an international court hearing to assess the Bible or if no one helps, then this is the trial; where after Armageddon in the Middle East, the Source of reality will remove everyone by Holy Fire at Judgement Day.

This is like having the exam results before the exam, from the person doing the marking; thus if people do not agree with the level of morality required at Judgement Day, they will be sentenced - As Revelation 3:18 says, we've been explaining it now for 15 years, and it is almost time for the Final Battle.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
There is no reason for me to believe you over the claims of tens of thousands of others.
Evidence shows what was stated to be correct; this is where stating it could be held as a legal trial, since we have individual testimonies, which could then be cross examined by experts.

After the evidence of what is stated in the religious texts; we can then systematically prove that I'm the real Messiah sent from Heaven before Judgement Day - with a sacred name in many of the world's religious texts.

Whereas we can show Baha'u'llah is Antichrist's teachings (contradicting the Tanakh, and Yeshua) in numerous places - by the testimonial evidence.
The 'Manifestation of God' is the Manifestation and Bearer of the 'Word of God' and not God incarnate as many traditional Christians believe that Jesus Christ is.
Regardless of Christians believing Yeshua was a manifestation of the divine, which we can identify from the texts; Baha'u'llah is a totally different case, where we can literally show he did not understand the contexts in the Bible.

It is literally impossible for the Messiah to not understand some of these Biblical contexts, that Baha'u'llah has then misunderstood.

Christians are Antichrist's teachings on purpose, and thus sorry to say, yet Baha'i has built on the false bits.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Evidence shows what was stated to be correct; this is where stating it could be held as a legal trial, since we have individual testimonies, which could then be cross examined by experts.

After the evidence of what is stated in the religious texts; we can then systematically prove that I'm the real Messiah sent from Heaven before Judgement Day - with a sacred name in many of the world's religious texts.

Whereas we can show Baha'u'llah is Antichrist's teachings (contradicting the Tanakh, and Yeshua) in numerous places - by the testimonial evidence.

Regardless of Christians believing Yeshua was a manifestation of the divine, which we can identify from the texts; Baha'u'llah is a totally different case, where we can literally show he did not understand the contexts in the Bible.

It is literally impossible for the Messiah to not understand some of these Biblical contexts, that Baha'u'llah has then misunderstood.

Christians are Antichrist's teachings on purpose, and thus sorry to say, yet Baha'i has built on the false bits.

In my opinion. :innocent:

Good thing you consider this your opinion of a fallible human.

You, of course, disagree, as the opinion of a fallible human, with Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith, but you have not responded to the fact that you made false claims as to what Baha'u'llah claimed.

He did not claim to God.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The Gospel of John is rude about Yeshua, and completely contradicts the Synoptic Gospels on purpose; only those who are only seeking reward, without really caring what Yeshua said, could accept it without noticing.

It is a deliberate morality IQ test to assess mankind, where we have a series of patterns, Matthew, Mark, Luke Vs the Gospel of John.

Because as someone who we can prove is sent from Heaven with the name of the Messiah:

We are either going to organize an international court hearing to assess the Bible or if no one helps, then this is the trial; where after Armageddon in the Middle East, the Source of reality will remove everyone by Holy Fire at Judgement Day.

This is like having the exam results before the exam, from the person doing the marking; thus if people do not agree with the level of morality required at Judgement Day, they will be sentenced - As Revelation 3:18 says, we've been explaining it now for 15 years, and it is almost time for the Final Battle.

In my opinion. :innocent:
I looked at your criticisms of Johns Gospel. Most are based on your personal assumptions. As an example, John names one woman at the tomb. You assume that that means there were no others when all it actually means is that John only named one. There could have been 10 others.

All of your conclusions have perfectly logical explanations. You must use logic however, and not be swept away with preconceived notions.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Good thing you consider this your opinion of a fallible human.

You, of course, disagree, as the opinion of a fallible human, with Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith, but you have not responded to the fact that you made false claims as to what Baha'u'llah claimed.

He did not claim to God.

Still waiting . . .
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You, of course, disagree, as the opinion of a fallible human, with Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith, but you have not responded to the fact that you made false claims as to what Baha'u'llah claimed.

He did not claim to God.
I've seen the quotes that Baha'u'llah didn't claim to be the Source; this is not about him being the Source...

Baha'u'llah claimed the Source has an "I Am" consciousness; Buddha, & Lao Tzu, etc, say it isn't logical to claim Source has Self, and Yeshua established a Snare to catch out the hypocrites.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I've seen the quotes that Baha'u'llah didn't claim to be the Source; this is not about him being the Source...

Then you are presenting a confusing incoherent argument.

Baha'u'llah claimed the Source has an "I Am" consciousness; Buddha, & Lao Tzu, etc, say it isn't logical to claim Source has Self, and Yeshua established a Snare to catch out the hypocrites.

In my opinion. :innocent:

The 'Source' is the ultimate "I am" Consciousness. The Manifestation of God is the Revealer of the Word of God, the 'Source.'
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The Manifestation of God is the Revealer of the Word of God, the 'Source.'
The whole of reality is the Word of the Source; it communicates through all of us, and only by looking at the whole - can we be logical.
The 'Source' is the ultimate "I am" Consciousness.
The Source doesn't have an "I Am" consciousness, it is beyond form, it doesn't have a timeline like we do; so it does not have attachment to "I" or that it needs to exist (Am).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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