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Is the USA just like any Latin American country now?

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I'm uninterested in the right wing lies about Biden. Partly because I don't believe any sins the son committed reflect on the father. If you want to assert that, then we need to start locking up parents when children commit crimes. Do you want to start doing that?

sunrise, we have Bidens words from a conference explaining that he had indeed done this, and then bragging about how his extortion had worked; the prosecutor was fired.

That's not 'right wing lies.' It's what happened.

You seem to be absolute proof of what I was talking about here.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Do you think the removal of Shokin had broad support outside of Biden and his immediate advisors?
Do you think holding aid to Ukraine had broad support outside of Trump and his immediate advisors?

What difference does either thing make? the Democrats don't. they are fine with Biden's flagrant actions....bragged about ones....but they are accusing Trump of doing what Biden absolutely DID do, and are using this accusation to attempt to get him out of office.

It's hypocrisy defined.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Would be, IF the incidents I refer to didn't happen before they came up with this stuff to impeach Trump with, AND if I weren't 100% correct.

You guys want Trump out because he's loud, obnoxious, and doesn't play by your political rules. You don't like him, you can't defeat him in the polls any sort of polls..and you are attempting to undo an election. That's it...and you are setting an incredibly bad precedent. You know, one of these days (further down the road than you might like) there WILL be a Democrat in the White House, and what will you have to say when your own tactics are turned on you? When, not extremist out lyers shout 'impeach him!' but the mainstream leaders do? Not when loud mouthed idealogues pull illegal stuff, but when CONGRESS does, all in order to 'get your guy' out?

He isn't going to be kicked out of office. You know that. I know that....and all you have done is, I repeat, insure his re-election. Shoot, I don't think that there will be the traditional house/senate party switch for the second term. I think you have guaranteed a 100% Republican Senate AND House, along with Trump in the white house, and the economy is going to continue to boom.

I think this will happen because you guys are so determined to oust Trump that your Congress isn't doing anything ELSE...especially not their jobs.
...said the pot to the kettle.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
We would never have an electable president if we did that, all the macaques have dirt and excrements under their fingernails.
So knowing this, why exalt him as godking?
Either ethics mean something or they don't. When someone from "their" party does wrong, we express outrage, but when someone from "our" party does wrong, we shrug our shoulders. We can't have it both ways.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
If we fail to hold our leaders accountable, or to high standards and expectations, and allow them to disregard the very laws they write, pass, and enforce, then we will end up with a 3rd world dictatorship.
It does seem like that's already long since happened, though, doesn't it.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If there is evidence that, Biden, Clinton, or whoever has committed wrong doing, then let there be an in investigation. Enough whataboutism. If you have any integrity, place principles before partisanship. It's okay to be critical of your own "team".
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
sunrise, we have Bidens words from a conference explaining that he had indeed done this, and then bragging about how his extortion had worked; the prosecutor was fired.

That's not 'right wing lies.' It's what happened.

You seem to be absolute proof of what I was talking about here.
I don't know where you're getting that propaganda from but it's no where that I accept as true.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It does seem like that's already long since happened, though, doesn't it.
With the exception that the Latin American countries are members of the Rome Statute so that their criminal leaders can at least be tried before an international court when they themselves can't do it.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
What difference does either thing make? the Democrats don't. they are fine with Biden's flagrant actions....bragged about ones....but they are accusing Trump of doing what Biden absolutely DID do, and are using this accusation to attempt to get him out of office.

It's hypocrisy defined.

Why should I care what the Dems do?
I'm trying to get a handle on your opinions.

I don't agree on your broad-brush of it, but still...understanding why you think these are the same is basically what I'm trying to do.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No, it's the Great Orange Sultan and you didn't capitalize Trump- fix it immediately.

Well he's certainly orange so you were 1/3 right

Ok, tell ya what, I'll get reborn without dyslexia, will that suite you?

If my spell check doesn't flag it as an error than its good enough for me.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Say in the unlikely event, Biden became president. Based on the weak impeachment precedent created by the Democrats, Biden would to be immediately impeached for Ukraine, since there is more are first and second hand account of him admitting quid pro quo, compared to Trump. In the best interest of the country, Biden needs to step down, now, to avoid the waste of tax payer time.

Make America Great Again was a slogan connected to reversing the trends that the Democrats and the globalists had established for America. A big part of this was connected to open borders and no call for assimilation. The result was projected to be America transforming into a second world country based on the customs of an unassimilated majority of second and third world Latin Americans. The next step would have been a socialist dictatorship, since this was part of those customs. The left hates Trump because it set this back decades and has restored America back as a first world economic and military giant.

Consider how the sanctuary cities of the Democrats are willing to favor third world criminals, over the first world victims they leave behind. This crime and violence was the future they had in mind. Trump messed this up, so he became a target of the swamp. Nothing ever seems to happen to the swamp no matter what they do. This emboldened the swamp to where they started to commit injustices in the open; Schiff. This was allowed, since it made the America people aware, assuring the reelection of Trump. It also assured a call for the swamp to be drained; Durham and Barr.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
...said the pot to the kettle.

question: do you have anything substantive to say, or is your ammunition completely devoid of anything but cliched name calling?

For instance; WHY is this 'irony,' to the detriment of the Republicans (yes, I see the irony...it's just not in the direction you claim it is) and WHY is this 'pot/kettle' time specifically about the innocence of the Dems and the Guilt of the Republicans? And if both sides are 'black' (that's sooty, as in pot/kettle) then where is the virtue in what the Dems are doing?
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I don't know where you're getting that propaganda from but it's no where that I accept as true.

Er....I got it from a recording of the conference in which Biden SAID it. Film, recording, video, whatever.

That's where I got the recording of Obama's remarks to Medvyed, as well...remarks Obama thought were off-mic.

From the New York Times:

Obama Caught on Microphone Telling Medvedev of ‘Flexibility’

Both events HAPPENED.

Sorry about that.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country.

What country? The Divided States of America?

Who remembers Newt Gingrich's answer when asked why impeach Bill Clinton : "because we can"? And they did, in an extremely partisan way following an actual witch hunt in search of a crime that took them from Whitewater to Travelgate to Paula Jones and eventually to Monica Lewinski, where they finally found something to bring articles of impeachment.

For me, that set the tone for how the Democrats should treat Republican and the next Republican president that they could impeach. Even if they didn't have just cause, the Democrats owe the Republicans an impeachment just because they can. What comes 'round goes 'round.

If the Republicans will take their medicine, understand that what they do to the Democrats can be done to them, and stand down, then perhaps civility can be restored.

But I think we know that the Republicans won't do that. They'll continue with their scorched earth approach to America's liberals, who should come to see them as the enemy not to be listened to or cooperated with at all, and to be opposed as strenuously as possible using any effective means to all conservative thought.

I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics.

That ship has sailed. Remember "Lock her up"? Lock Trump up.

Perhaps the Republicans should have thought of that before impeaching a Democratic president in a purely partisan and destructive manner.

I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.”

That ship has sailed as well. Just look at this thread.

IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians.

Yeah, because it is the anti-Trumpers that are behaving like tin-horn, Banana Republic dictators. See how many of these features describe the anti-Trumpers:

1. Desire for military parades

2. Browbeats the press and defines it as the enemy of the people

3. Confuses himself with the nation, calling what’s bad for him bad for America.

4. Attacks investigative committees and the intelligence community

5. Attacking vanquished political opponents

6. Attempt to control the flow of information

7. Holding rallies unrelated to campaigning

8. Calling those that disagree with him treasonous and un-American

9. Demanding adulation from his cabinet

10. Admires thuggish strongmen like Putin, Duterte, and Kim Jong Un

11. Nepotism

12. Disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law

13. Expecting government employees and appointees to be loyal to him personally rather than the nation

14. Targeting and demonizing various scapegoated groups

15. Angry nationalism and xenophobia

16. Vastly exaggerate a threat to make people afraid so that they will sacrifice freedoms to him in exchange for unneeded protection

17. The use of executive action to claim powers he doesn’t have

18. Contempt for facts and evidence

19. The destruction of political norms

20. Threats of refusal to leave office when it’s time


I do fear if anti-Trumpers get control of our prosperous Trump-led Trumped-up Constitutional Republic, then America might become worse off than some of those heavily socialist Latin American crap-hole Banana Republics

Worse off by your conservative standards. Better off by their liberal standards.

Then why in the world aren't you guys up in arms about Biden's VERY clear 'quid pro quo' bit with the witholding the billion dollars if the Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, or the equally obvious solitication of Russian interference in US elections when Obama (we have the recording) told Myedved to tell Putin that he would have 'more flexibility' AFTER the election? If that isn't a clear request for help to win said election, what the heck IS it? It's certainly more than Trump has ever done. Talk about ignoring the laws, etc.,....

Why shouldn't the Democrats begin ignoring the law as well now in this age of Republicans defying lawful subpoenas and refusing to convict their own whatever the charges and evidence? I don't even need to know the facts of the Biden thing, just that he's a Democrat. Not guilty. Next.

This is the legacy of the Republicans. This is how they roll. The Democrats put themselves at a huge disadvantage if they don't adopt the same approach to the Republicans. Hopefully,the Democrats will have the spine to become just as nasty to the Republicans to make that happen and show the Republicans what the cost of their choices can be. Hopefully, the Republicans will learn that they are vulnerable to the same tactics, and that there will be ramifications and undesirable consequences for them for engaging in thuggish behavior.

I have nothing but contempt for the whole thing, and more than contempt for the Democrats who are pushing this even as they know that the hypocrisy is blazing

This is the natural progression of Republican politics, where hypocrisy is considered a virtue.

And that the democratic leaders think so little of their constituents that they blithely expect them all to swallow this makes me deeply depressed....and that they are CORRECT, that their constituents do swallow it...makes that depression incurable.

You have it backward. It's the conservative audience that is passively and uncritically taking direction from conservative media indoctrination. Look at how many use the phrase Trump Derangement Syndrome because Hannity or some other conservative propagandist said it first.

Liberal America is the contingent with the moral fiber to reject a pathological liar, wannabe dictator, self-admitted serial sexual predator, serial adulterer, and career fraud. If you have to call that position deranged, it is you who is deranged, it was you who was expected to blithely swallow the party line, and you did.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

The failure of the American system started long before Trump ran for office.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Er....I got it from a recording of the conference in which Biden SAID it. Film, recording, video, whatever.

That's where I got the recording of Obama's remarks to Medvyed, as well...remarks Obama thought were off-mic.

From the New York Times:

Obama Caught on Microphone Telling Medvedev of ‘Flexibility’

Both events HAPPENED.

Sorry about that.

I wanted to find time to review the video since you did not indicate a time and the video was close to one hour long. First, I'm much more impressed by Biden than I was before. So you influenced me to be more likely to vote for him in the primary. Second, I saw nothing comparable to what Trump has done. So my criticism stands.

About President Obama's quote. It's perfectly understandable and does not mean anything more than when politics is not part of the equation, it's one factor not involved in decision making. That's trying to make something out of nothing.

So two "nothing burgers".
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?
The term banana republic fits nicely when the Socialists are in charge of things
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I wanted to find time to review the video since you did not indicate a time and the video was close to one hour long. First, I'm much more impressed by Biden than I was before. So you influenced me to be more likely to vote for him in the primary. Second, I saw nothing comparable to what Trump has done. So my criticism stands.

About President Obama's quote. It's perfectly understandable and does not mean anything more than when politics is not part of the equation, it's one factor not involved in decision making. That's trying to make something out of nothing.

So two "nothing burgers".

....and you are unhappy with TRUMP????
 
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