Is the USA just like any Latin American country now?

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

Landon Caeli said:

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

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Whatever the outcome of the impeachment proceedings, there are going to be a lot of people who will be deeply angry and unhappy. The level of partisanship has already broken the constitutional system for the foreseeable future. We are all in unknown territory frankly.

To me it's exactly the opposite. Trump is acting like a petty dictator lying, corrupting and appointing cronies who will tell him he's wonderful.

To me, his dark regime will end and we will rebuild and return to walking the path of our glorious future.

Landon Caeli said:

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

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I would say it's a rather bad example. In Latin America a lot of president and leaders are impeached because they are corrupt. Political corruption in Latin America is a massive problem. Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil are probably the most notorious countries faced with massive problems of corruption. Lula da Silva is probably the most famous recent case of President condamned and imprisonned for cases of corruption. These cases of corruption aren't "made up" they are real and very problematic.

From what I've read on Trump's impeachment, I think it's reasonnable to impeach him and to put him on trial. Is he going to be found guilty by the Senate probably not, but I hope they will not vote for partisan reason and actually look at the evidence. Some of them do look pretty bad for Trump, it might not be enough to prove his guilt beyond reasonnable doubt, but it's certainly enough to raise an eyebrow. These might not be solid enough evidence to remove the man from office, but these aren't baseless accusations either.

sun rise said:

To me, his dark regime will end and we will rebuild and return to walking the path of our glorious future.

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Can we refer to the architect of this great awakening "Dear Leader"?

Stanyon said:

Can we refer to the architect of this great awakening "Dear Leader"?

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Actually i thought thats what you called trump... Correct me if im wrong

Landon Caeli said:

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

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I do fear if anti-Trumpers get control of our prosperous Trump-led Trumped-up Constitutional Republic, then America might become worse off than some of those heavily socialist Latin American crap-hole Banana Republics from whom North America needs to protect herself with an effective border security barrier.

The Central American Latinos overall are nearly three times more homicidal than the overall American population; I don't want these homicidal maniacs coming anywhere near my family or me.

Talking About The Costa Rica Murder Rate in 2019 | centralamerica.com

If we fail to hold our leaders accountable, or to high standards and expectations, and allow them to disregard the very laws they write, pass, and enforce, then we will end up with a 3rd world dictatorship.

Landon Caeli said:

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

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Nah....it's not that bad.
All proceeds (more or less) per the Constitution.

Father Heathen said:

If we fail to hold our leaders accountable, or to high standards and expectations, and allow them to disregard the very laws they write, pass, and enforce, then we will end up with a 3rd world dictatorship.

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Then why in the world aren't you guys up in arms about Biden's VERY clear 'quid pro quo' bit with the witholding the billion dollars if the Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, or the equally obvious solitication of Russian interference in US elections when Obama (we have the recording) told Myedved to tell Putin that he would have 'more flexibility' AFTER the election? If that isn't a clear request for help to win said election, what the heck IS it? It's certainly more than Trump has ever done.

Talk about ignoring the laws, etc.,....

I have nothing but contempt for the whole thing, and more than contempt for the Democrats who are pushing this even as they know that the hypocrisy is blazing...

And that the democratic leaders think so little of their constituents that they blithely expect them all to swallow this makes me deeply depressed....and that they are CORRECT, that their constituents do swallow it...makes that depression incurable.

dianaiad said:

Then why in the world aren't you guys up in arms about Biden's VERY clear 'quid pro quo' bit with the witholding the billion dollars if the Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, or the equally obvious solitication of Russian interference in US elections when he (we have the recording) told Myedved to tell Putin that he would have 'more flexibility' AFTER the election? If that isn't a clear request for help to win said election, what the heck IS it? It's certainly more than Trump has ever done.

Talk about ignoring the laws, etc.,....

I have nothing but contempt for the whole thing, and more than contempt for the Democrats who are pushing this even as they know that the hypocrisy is blazing...

And that the democratic leaders think so little of their constituents that they blithely expect them all to swallow this makes me deeply depressed....and that they are CORRECT, that their constituents do swallow it...makes that depression incurable.

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Would be, IF the incidents I refer to didn't happen before they came up with this stuff to impeach Trump with, AND if I weren't 100% correct.

You guys want Trump out because he's loud, obnoxious, and doesn't play by your political rules. You don't like him, you can't defeat him in the polls any sort of polls..and you are attempting to undo an election. That's it...and you are setting an incredibly bad precedent. You know, one of these days (further down the road than you might like) there WILL be a Democrat in the White House, and what will you have to say when your own tactics are turned on you? When, not extremist out lyers shout 'impeach him!' but the mainstream leaders do? Not when loud mouthed idealogues pull illegal stuff, but when CONGRESS does, all in order to 'get your guy' out?

He isn't going to be kicked out of office. You know that. I know that....and all you have done is, I repeat, insure his re-election. Shoot, I don't think that there will be the traditional house/senate party switch for the second term. I think you have guaranteed a 100% Republican Senate AND House, along with Trump in the white house, and the economy is going to continue to boom.

I think this will happen because you guys are so determined to oust Trump that your Congress isn't doing anything ELSE...especially not their jobs.

ChristineM said:

Actually i thought thats what you called Trump... Correct me if im wrong

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No, it's the Great Orange Sultan and you didn't capitalize Trump- fix it immediately.

Father Heathen said:

If we fail to hold our leaders accountable, or to high standards and expectations

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We would never have an electable president if we did that, all the macaques have dirt and excrements under their fingernails.

Revoltingest said:

Nah....it's not that bad.
All proceeds (more or less) per the Constitution.

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I'm going to agree with you again. Horrible I know.

Impeachment as the founders would have understood it involves judgment: "The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official had somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve."

I would very much prefer the process to involve honorable people of high moral character but you play the hand you've been dealt.

In what is perhaps the most important sense given the state of the nation, the case is being presented to the American people who will ultimately judge.

dianaiad said:

Then why in the world aren't you guys up in arms about Biden's VERY clear 'quid pro quo' bit with the witholding the billion dollars if the Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, or the equally obvious solitication of Russian interference in US elections when Obama (we have the recording) told Myedved to tell Putin that he would have 'more flexibility' AFTER the election? If that isn't a clear request for help to win said election, what the heck IS it? It's certainly more than Trump has ever done.

Talk about ignoring the laws, etc.,....

I have nothing but contempt for the whole thing, and more than contempt for the Democrats who are pushing this even as they know that the hypocrisy is blazing...

And that the democratic leaders think so little of their constituents that they blithely expect them all to swallow this makes me deeply depressed....and that they are CORRECT, that their constituents do swallow it...makes that depression incurable.

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I'm uninterested in the right wing lies about Biden. Partly because I don't believe any sins the son committed reflect on the father. If you want to assert that, then we need to start locking up parents when children commit crimes. Do you want to start doing that?

Landon Caeli said:

“I don’t think it’s a good day for the country. I think it’s a sad day because I hope it doesn’t devolve into that every president like in different parts of Latin America where we either impeach or throw presidents in jail because we don’t like their politics. I think that will really dumb down and destroy the country.” ~ Rand Paul
Rand Paul fears Donald Trump impeachment will ‘dumb down and destroy the country’

...IMO, the anti-Trumpers in our government are acting just like corrupt Latin American politicians. Don't you think?

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If the sworn testimony that we've seen is anything to go by, the Donald was using the resources of the USA not in the interests of the USA but for his own private purposes. My own view is that people in government, including those holding elected office, should never do that, not least because it's corrupt.

I suppose if I'd voted for the present POTUS, one argument available to me might be, Hey, I voted for a candidate who as everyone could see was a narcissist, not very bright, not very educated, but relentlessly self-serving and dishonest, so why would I bi tch when he behaves like I would?

Salvador said:

I do fear if anti-Trumpers get control of our prosperous Trump-led Trumped-up Constitutional Republic, then America might become worse off than some of those heavily socialist Latin American crap-hole Banana Republics from whom North America needs to protect herself with an effective border security barrier.

The Central American Latinos overall are nearly three times more homicidal than the overall American population; I don't want these homicidal maniacs coming anywhere near my family or me.

Talking About The Costa Rica Murder Rate in 2019 | centralamerica.com

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I do chuckle when 'lefties' are told to ease off on the rhetoric...

dianaiad said:

Then why in the world aren't you guys up in arms about Biden's VERY clear 'quid pro quo' bit with the witholding the billion dollars if the Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor investigating his son, or the equally obvious solitication of Russian interference in US elections when Obama (we have the recording) told Myedved to tell Putin that he would have 'more flexibility' AFTER the election? If that isn't a clear request for help to win said election, what the heck IS it? It's certainly more than Trump has ever done.

Talk about ignoring the laws, etc.,....

I have nothing but contempt for the whole thing, and more than contempt for the Democrats who are pushing this even as they know that the hypocrisy is blazing...

And that the democratic leaders think so little of their constituents that they blithely expect them all to swallow this makes me deeply depressed....and that they are CORRECT, that their constituents do swallow it...makes that depression incurable.

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Do you think the removal of Shokin had broad support outside of Biden and his immediate advisors?
Do you think holding aid to Ukraine had broad support outside of Trump and his immediate advisors?