ecco
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Are you OK with Luther hijacking Christianity in 1534?
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So What Happened To All The Changes, Tribulations, And Woe Jesus Had Promised?
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Dave Watchman
Active Member
It didn't take ME any effort.
I just checked it out.
"He gives the wisdom to the wise,
"He reveals the deep and the hidden things.
"He reveals the deep and the hidden things.
There's 17 prophetic time periods in the Bible. Five were written in the Book of Daniel 2600 years ago. Twelve were written in the Book of Revelation 2000 years ago. They match up with one another. Even though they were written by different guys. They still match.
Then you can make a green bar graph where they match up with the number of days that fall between solar and lunar eclipses.
Sun into darkness, moon into blood.
Both before and after.
Like bookends.
And count the days from a Biblical Abomination, until a "darkened sun".
(LET THE READER UNDERSTAND)
Those would be pretty tough to fake.
Even by a Dragon empowered composite beast.
Even the demons believe, and are very afraid.
"You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. - James 2:19
I can never figure out why an atheist would want to argue with a Christian that there is no God, or that the Bible is not the Word of God.
I think if I was an atheist, I wouldn't even bother. I wouldn't use up the time. I would be on a Suzuki V Strom forum, or a Dodge Ram forum, or a forum in search of camel-toe.
It makes me think that the atheist is, at a minimum, curious what it is that makes a Christian BELIEVE.
Is it that the atheist WANTS to believe, but CANT?
As a Calvinist, I still think that it's all baked in the cake.
Don't fret if you're reading this.
Jesus will not lose any that the Father gives Him.
"All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” - John 6 37-40
It all unfolded in AD1844, which was the year AH1260.
What was promised has been delivered and we face the rejection of that Message. Much to come.
Regards Tony
sooda
Veteran Member
It didn't take ME any effort.
I just checked it out.
"He gives the wisdom to the wise,
"He reveals the deep and the hidden things.
There's 17 prophetic time periods in the Bible. Five were written in the Book of Daniel 2600 years ago. Twelve were written in the Book of Revelation 2000 years ago. They match up with one another. Even though they were written by different guys. They still match.
Then you can make a green bar graph where they match up with the number of days that fall between solar and lunar eclipses.
Sun into darkness, moon into blood.
Both before and after.
Like bookends.
And count the days from a Biblical Abomination, until a "darkened sun".
(LET THE READER UNDERSTAND)
Those would be pretty tough to fake.
Even by a Dragon empowered composite beast.
Even the demons believe, and are very afraid.
"You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. - James 2:19
I can never figure out why an atheist would want to argue with a Christian that there is no God, or that the Bible is not the Word of God.
I think if I was an atheist, I wouldn't even bother. I wouldn't use up the time. I would be on a Suzuki V Strom forum, or a Dodge Ram forum, or a forum in search of camel-toe.
It makes me think that the atheist is, at a minimum, curious what it is that makes a Christian BELIEVE.
Is it that the atheist WANTS to believe, but CANT?
As a Calvinist, I still think that it's all baked in the cake.
Don't fret if you're reading this.
Jesus will not lose any that the Father gives Him.
"All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” - John 6 37-40
The Book of Daniel wasn't written by Daniel. It was written in 167 BC during the terrible reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
sooda
Veteran Member
Luther had a problem with the Catholic Church selling "Pardons".... That's not the right word. It will come to me.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
I saw that too.
Islamic Hijri Calendar For 1260 Hijri - habibur.com
I didn't make too much of it.
1844 was 2300 years from the Artaxerxes decree of 457 BC. It's a Daniel thing.
No need to trouble the Sons of Ishmael.
Did you see this:
The edict of tolerance?
It made it easier for the Jews to do their thing in Jerusalem in 1844.
"On 21 March 1844, the Sublime Porte of the Ottoman Empire submitted a note to the British and French embassies promising to cease the executions of apostates from Islam.[1] In the Bahá'í Faith, this is known as the Edict of Toleration and has a prophetic significance.
Prophetic interpretations
The Edict was seen by some especially among the religious as a specific sign leading towards the fulfillment of prophecy.
Research conducted by Michael Sours[5] into this subject and the records of the development of the Edict did not refer directly to the Jews but rather infers religious tolerance through ending executions for apostasy for Jews that seemed to convert making their social situation easier while actually keeping their personal and group identity in their Judaic religion. Jerusalem has had the largest Jewish population in Palestine in recent centuries since about 1844[8] and been majority Jewish since about 1852.[9]
The Edict was first publicly commented upon by Reverend Edward Bickersteth in his publication, Practical Guide to the Prophecies in the 1844 edition.[4] Adventist William Miller, and those that disagreed with him, though unaware of the Edict and the diplomacy around it, still looked to the fortunes of the Ottoman Empire even in the period.[10] Miller pointed to the year because of the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14, relying on the Day-year principle.
The 2300 days are understood to represent 2300 years stretching from 457 BC, the calculated starting date of the 70 weeks prophecy based on the 3rd decree found in Ezra, thus leading to 1843/4.
1844 - WikipediaProphetic interpretations
The Edict was seen by some especially among the religious as a specific sign leading towards the fulfillment of prophecy.
Research conducted by Michael Sours[5] into this subject and the records of the development of the Edict did not refer directly to the Jews but rather infers religious tolerance through ending executions for apostasy for Jews that seemed to convert making their social situation easier while actually keeping their personal and group identity in their Judaic religion. Jerusalem has had the largest Jewish population in Palestine in recent centuries since about 1844[8] and been majority Jewish since about 1852.[9]
The Edict was first publicly commented upon by Reverend Edward Bickersteth in his publication, Practical Guide to the Prophecies in the 1844 edition.[4] Adventist William Miller, and those that disagreed with him, though unaware of the Edict and the diplomacy around it, still looked to the fortunes of the Ottoman Empire even in the period.[10] Miller pointed to the year because of the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8:14, relying on the Day-year principle.
The 2300 days are understood to represent 2300 years stretching from 457 BC, the calculated starting date of the 70 weeks prophecy based on the 3rd decree found in Ezra, thus leading to 1843/4.
Edict of Toleration (1844) - Wikipedia
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It means that the human soul is a mystery, a sign of God. We are incapable of understanding the nature of the soul, as Baha’u’llah said in this passage:
“Thou hast asked Me concerning the nature of the soul. Know, verily, that the soul is a sign of God, a heavenly gem whose reality the most learned of men hath failed to grasp, and whose mystery no mind, however acute, can ever hope to unravel. It is the first among all created things to declare the excellence of its Creator, the first to recognize His glory, to cleave to His truth, and to bow down in adoration before Him. If it be faithful to God, it will reflect His light, and will, eventually, return unto Him. If it fail, however, in its allegiance to its Creator, it will become a victim to self and passion, and will, in the end, sink in their depths.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 158-159
I am not sure what is meant by the Soul of God, maybe He means the Spirit of God. But He is contrasting that with the lower material nature of man, man’s selfish nature and that nature is what impels man to follow his lusts and wickedness and rebel against God’s laws. Such a soul has wandered in the path of error.
Man has two natures, a lower material nature and a higher spiritual nature, and if he follows his spiritual nature he will be faithful to God and reflect God’s light, showing forth love, mercy, kindness, truth and justice. If he follows his lower material nature he will become a victim of self and passion and sink in their depths, which could be equated with hell.
sooda
Veteran Member
The demographics are wrong. The population numbers are wrong.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
When I said “I do not reject ALL His quoted words as storytelling, only the stories like the resurrection” I did not mean I believe anything in the NT is the exact words of Jesus. The reason I posted those statements from the Guardian and the UHJ was to point out that Baha’is do not consider any of the words in the NT that are attributed to Jesus to be the exact words Jesus spoke, because the Bible is not wholly authentic. What I meant is that I believe some of what is in the NT is stories that do not depict anything that actually happened as recorded, thus they are fiction.
I do have a rational reason for picking and choosing. What Baha'u'llah wrote is my standard for Truth, so if what the Bible says contradicts the Baha’i writings then I choose not to accept the interpretation that Christians commonly accept, such as that Jesus rose bodily from the grave. Other Bible verses I will interpret according to what makes sense to me. Some I take at face value, like the Sermon on the Mount, but some I interpret as figurative, like Jonah in the belly of a whale. It’s common sense.
I interpret some of Baha’u’llah’s Writings as figuratively and some literally, but I accept them all as God’s Absolute Truth. The reason I do this is because Baha’u’llah wrote them Himself so I know they came from God. By contrast, the Bible was not written by a Manifestation of God such as Jesus. It was written by men who spoke for Jesus so there is room for error to creep in. I mean how could the NT writers know what Jesus said when they never even knew Jesus and what they wrote was written decades after Jesus walked the earth? I hope you can see the difference between this kind of writing and what Baha'u'llah wrote with His Own Pen.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, that is what I mean. The "so" does not change the meaning. It would be the same as saying:
There is only One God, thus people who believe there are many gods have a false belief.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Why does it matter what I wrote earlier? I just explained what I meant.
I can see how that would have been confusing.
I said: All gods (plural) are imaginary because there is only one true God.
I meant: The belief in more than one God is the product of one's imagination because there is only one God.
In my three logical mutually exclusive possibilities, the imaginary gods fall in Category 2. (see below)
I did not say that all gods are imaginary. It is the belief in many gods that is imaginary.
I said that only three logical possibilities exist and they are mutually exclusive:
1. One God
2. Many gods
3. No God or gods
All Gods are not imaginary because the one true God (1.) is real. It is the BELIEF that some people hold that there are many gods (2.) that is imaginary.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, not all of His Writings are mystical and some are more mystical than others. You just happened to pick and post the most mystical Writings, ones I do not even understand.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I disagree, because all of Baha'u'llah's Writings have meanings, important meanings.
If you cannot see the difference between them and the others, you can't.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
I've asked them a million times why the Baha'is think the gospel writers went from telling what happened prior and during the resurrection to making up a "symbolic" story of how Jesus came back to life. Maybe, or probably, it's wrong. But the writers sure seemed to intend for the followers of Jesus to believe he really did come back to life. With their "symbolic" interpretations, the Baha'is can make any Bible story say whatever they want and still claim the Bible is true. Too freakin' weird for me but perfectly "logical" to Baha'is.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If those calculations are correct, then... are the Baha'i right? I have some problems with their calculations, but I've still have never seen a Christian stand up and show how they are wrong.
ecco
Veteran Member
What still matches? You didn't show any fulfilled prophecy.
What would be tough to fake? You didn't show any fulfilled prophecy. You didn't even show any scriptural verses.
ecco
Veteran Member
Big whoop. All you did was show that someone, 2000 years ago, believed in demons. Heck people today believe in demons. You probably believe in demons. You probably fear demons. People also believe in goblins, ghosts, voices from the grave and all manner of silly stuff.
We know that the Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses. We know that the Gospels were written to appear to be eyewitness accounts. Therefore, we can conclude that the writers of the Gospels were liars. Why should anyone take the writings of human liars to be the "Word of God"?
We know that things in Genesis are false. The people who wrote these things must have known they were false. Why should anyone take the writings of human liars to be the "Word of God"?
Nah. We know what makes most fundamentalists (Christians, Muslims, Jews) believe, they were heavily indoctrinated as children.
Why would someone who has given up childish superstitions to go back to wanting to believe childish superstitions again? Are you going to be sitting by the fireplace waiting for Jolly Old St. Nick?
Since I have no idea why you think Calvinism is something special, I'll not bother to understand what you are trying to say.
Why would I fret? I don't believe in silly demons.
Do you think I should be impressed reading the words of a relatively ignorant and anonymous person who was pushing a religious agenda 2000 years ago? More silliness.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
I don't know if the Baha'i are right. I don't see how they could be. Daniel was writing about 1844 a long time before Hagar was dragging baby Ishmael through the desert looking for a drink of water.
But Tony seems to think the Baha'i are right.
I guess time is going to be the interpreter.
I think it's all about to unfold right now.
Next weekend, or the weekend after that.
It's got to happen before January.
Because of what Newton said about Daniel 9, and the compass of a Jubilee, and the Suleiman the Magnificent decree of 1535.
I don't agree with all of what Newton said about the end times. But he was smart. And i believe that God, it is God, that gives the wisdom to the wise.
Sir Isaac wrote three simple paragraphs on Daniel 9, the ones where he made the quote: "the compass of a Jubilee and: "doing violence to the language of Daniel. In those notes, he theorized how the enigmatic language of Daniel 9 would have a provision for two comings of Messiah, a primary and a secondary coming.
And so i know that, with his note having been written somewhere in the mid 1700's, he definitely knew about the 1535 decree to restore Jerusalem. Newton would have known to add 62 weeks, 434 years, to that date. So he would have been expecting to see an end time decree in 1969, where the modern seven weeks, 49 years, would be the compass of a Jubilee pointing to the 50th year.
But Newton was a gentleman. He cautioned not to talk about these things until they have transpired.
"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept
But we have the 1535 and the 1969 decree now. 62 weeks, and 7 weeks. This is one of the reasons why i still think it's happening now, and not in 2029 or 2036. If i google [1535 decree] , without the brackets, i get the Wiki page for Walls of Jerusalem.
Walls of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
The walls that were built based on the decree that came from Suleiman the Magnificent in 1535 are still standing today.
They look like nice walls.
Newton could have took a trip and seen them in person if he wanted.
But he couldn't have known about the 1969 Knesset Decree.
That one is hard to find, even now.
A nice lady sent me a PDF written in Hebrew. I couldn't read it, but the dates were in English.
But these pictures are even better.
We get the year AND the month.
"And in January 1969 the company was established.
IF, 1535 AND 1969, turn out to be a secondary fulfillment of Daniel 9, it's probably OK to be talking about them now. These end time 62 and 7 weeks, that might be lining up with the biggest fulfillment of all time, until Messiah the Prince.
“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
By the Same Liberty of Interpretation.
"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming.
If divers of the antients, as [g] Irenaeus, [h] Julius Africanus, Hippolytus the martyr, and Apollinaris Bishop of Laodicea, applied the half week to the times of Antichrist; why may not we, by the same liberty of interpretation, apply the seven weeks to the time when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming?
"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with
observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept:
and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it; and lastly, that this rebuilding of Jerusalem and the waste places of Judah is predicted in Micah 7:11, Amos 9:11, 14, Ezek. 36:33, 35, 36, 38, Isa. 54:3, 11, 12; 55:12, 61:4; 65:18, 21, 22, and Tobit 14:5 and that the return from captivity and coming of the Messiah and his kingdom are described in Daniel 7, Rev. 19, Acts 1, Matt. 24, Joel 3, Ezek. 36, 37, Isa. 60, 62, 63, 65 and 66 and many other places of scripture. The manner I know not. Let time be the Interpreter. - Isaac Newton
But 1535 did happen, i didn't make up Suleiman's walls of Jerusalem. Without these things actually happening, i wouldn't be here writing a note on it.If divers of the antients, as [g] Irenaeus, [h] Julius Africanus, Hippolytus the martyr, and Apollinaris Bishop of Laodicea, applied the half week to the times of Antichrist; why may not we, by the same liberty of interpretation, apply the seven weeks to the time when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming?
"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with
observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept:
and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it; and lastly, that this rebuilding of Jerusalem and the waste places of Judah is predicted in Micah 7:11, Amos 9:11, 14, Ezek. 36:33, 35, 36, 38, Isa. 54:3, 11, 12; 55:12, 61:4; 65:18, 21, 22, and Tobit 14:5 and that the return from captivity and coming of the Messiah and his kingdom are described in Daniel 7, Rev. 19, Acts 1, Matt. 24, Joel 3, Ezek. 36, 37, Isa. 60, 62, 63, 65 and 66 and many other places of scripture. The manner I know not. Let time be the Interpreter. - Isaac Newton
So 1535 + 62 weeks of years (434) = 1969.
1,535
434 +
--------------------------
1,969 =
And then this in 1969:
"In July 1968, the government decided to create the Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd., and in January 1969 the Company was established.
areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
תזכיר התאגדות החברה לפיתוח הרובע_1968.pdf
Doesn't it seem too coincidental? Were the Jews orchestrating this on purpose in 1969? Did they have 1535 in mind? I doubt it. I doubt that they would have been able to plan the 6 day war just in time to make a decree to restore Jerusalem that would line up with 1535 and the possible second coming of Messiah the Prince.
So 1535 + 62 weeks of years (434) = 1969.
1,535
434 +
--------------------------
1,969 =
And 1969 + 7 weeks of years (49) = 2018.
1,969
49 +
--------------------------
2,018 =
So if these final 49 years ARE the "compass of a Jubilee", as Newton put it, pointing to the 50th year, i can say that something apocalyptic MIGHT happen on or BEFORE some unknown date in January 2020.
That isn't how it worked in the primary fulfillment. 457BC + 7 and 62 weeks until they were looking Jesus in the eye as He read the Isaiah 61 scroll in the Temple. I see this as 27AD. This time it's the mirror image, 62 weeks and 7 weeks.
The 50th year after the last 49.
sooda
Veteran Member
I don't know if the Baha'i are right. I don't see how they could be. Daniel was writing about 1844 a long time before Hagar was dragging baby Ishmael through the desert looking for a drink of water.
But Tony seems to think the Baha'i are right.
I guess time is going to be the interpreter.
I think it's all about to unfold right now.
Next weekend, or the weekend after that.
It's got to happen before January.
Because of what Newton said about Daniel 9, and the compass of a Jubilee, and the Suleiman the Magnificent decree of 1535.
I don't agree with all of what Newton said about the end times. But he was smart. And i believe that God, it is God, that gives the wisdom to the wise.
Sir Isaac wrote three simple paragraphs on Daniel 9, the ones where he made the quote: "the compass of a Jubilee and: "doing violence to the language of Daniel. In those notes, he theorized how the enigmatic language of Daniel 9 would have a provision for two comings of Messiah, a primary and a secondary coming.
And so i know that, with his note having been written somewhere in the mid 1700's, he definitely knew about the 1535 decree to restore Jerusalem. Newton would have known to add 62 weeks, 434 years, to that date. So he would have been expecting to see an end time decree in 1969, where the modern seven weeks, 49 years, would be the compass of a Jubilee pointing to the 50th year.
But Newton was a gentleman. He cautioned not to talk about these things until they have transpired.
"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept
But we have the 1535 and the 1969 decree now. 62 weeks, and 7 weeks. This is one of the reasons why i still think it's happening now, and not in 2029 or 2036. If i google [1535 decree] , without the brackets, i get the Wiki page for Walls of Jerusalem.
Walls of Jerusalem - Wikipedia
The walls that were built based on the decree that came from Suleiman the Magnificent in 1535 are still standing today.
They look like nice walls.
Newton could have took a trip and seen them in person if he wanted.
But he couldn't have known about the 1969 Knesset Decree.
That one is hard to find, even now.
A nice lady sent me a PDF written in Hebrew. I couldn't read it, but the dates were in English.
But these pictures are even better.
We get the year AND the month.
"And in January 1969 the company was established.
IF, 1535 AND 1969, turn out to be a secondary fulfillment of Daniel 9, it's probably OK to be talking about them now. These end time 62 and 7 weeks, that might be lining up with the biggest fulfillment of all time, until Messiah the Prince.
“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
By the Same Liberty of Interpretation.
"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming.But 1535 did happen, i didn't make up Suleiman's walls of Jerusalem. Without these things actually happening, i wouldn't be here writing a note on it.
If divers of the antients, as [g] Irenaeus, [h] Julius Africanus, Hippolytus the martyr, and Apollinaris Bishop of Laodicea, applied the half week to the times of Antichrist; why may not we, by the same liberty of interpretation, apply the seven weeks to the time when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming?
"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with
observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept:
and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it; and lastly, that this rebuilding of Jerusalem and the waste places of Judah is predicted in Micah 7:11, Amos 9:11, 14, Ezek. 36:33, 35, 36, 38, Isa. 54:3, 11, 12; 55:12, 61:4; 65:18, 21, 22, and Tobit 14:5 and that the return from captivity and coming of the Messiah and his kingdom are described in Daniel 7, Rev. 19, Acts 1, Matt. 24, Joel 3, Ezek. 36, 37, Isa. 60, 62, 63, 65 and 66 and many other places of scripture. The manner I know not. Let time be the Interpreter. - Isaac Newton
So 1535 + 62 weeks of years (434) = 1969.
1,535
434 +
--------------------------
1,969 =
And then this in 1969:
"In July 1968, the government decided to create the Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd., and in January 1969 the Company was established.
areas of activity - The Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem
תזכיר התאגדות החברה לפיתוח הרובע_1968.pdf
Doesn't it seem too coincidental? Were the Jews orchestrating this on purpose in 1969? Did they have 1535 in mind? I doubt it. I doubt that they would have been able to plan the 6 day war just in time to make a decree to restore Jerusalem that would line up with 1535 and the possible second coming of Messiah the Prince.
So 1535 + 62 weeks of years (434) = 1969.
1,535
434 +
--------------------------
1,969 =
And 1969 + 7 weeks of years (49) = 2018.
1,969
49 +
--------------------------
2,018 =
So if these final 49 years ARE the "compass of a Jubilee", as Newton put it, pointing to the 50th year, i can say that something apocalyptic MIGHT happen on or BEFORE some unknown date in January 2020.
That isn't how it worked in the primary fulfillment. 457BC + 7 and 62 weeks until they were looking Jesus in the eye as He read the Isaiah 61 scroll in the Temple. I see this as 27AD. This time it's the mirror image, 62 weeks and 7 weeks.
The 50th year after the last 49.
Daniel is history written by a committee in 167 BC. Daniel is NOT considered a prophet.
ecco
Veteran Member
If you're "not sure what is meant by the Soul of God," then I'll stick to what I said previously - Balulu's writings are pretty much incomprehensible and meaningless.
IOW, if a person is good-natured and kind he will do good things, if a person is hard-hearted, he will be a pain in the arse. I don't' need the ambiguous writings of an exiled Muslim to tell me that. I don't need verses written 2000 years ago to tell me that.