Creationists -- Please answer David Attenborough for me...

Deeje · Dec 11, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Hee-hee! Gotta love it! In one breath you say "nothing comes from nothing" and then immediately that "'something' created it all."

If you can't see why that's too funny...

Well, I find your response equally hilarious TBH......Since "nothing comes from nothing"....the alternative is that "something" is responsible for the universe and for the design of things seen on this planet that apparently exist nowhere else....

Perhaps you need to see how your own comment missed the point completely......

Hockeycowboy · Dec 12, 2019

SkepticThinker said:
After they supposedly learned the difference between good and evil which God apparently didn't actually want them to learn.

I wonder what the moral of the story is supposed to be ...

The moral is that maintaining perfect human life depends on adherence to our Creator’s standards. He is the Source of life (Psalms 36:9), but A &E questioning His right — as our Maker — to govern us (Genesis 3:1-6) raised the issue of sovereignty. The best way for Jehovah to settle that issue, was to let mankind rule themselves, temporarily.. This of course resulted in alienation: mankind losing His guidance, and the Earth His protection, thereby paving the road for utopia to devolve into chaos.

Hockeycowboy · Dec 12, 2019

Jose Fly said:
1) By what specific mechanisms and processes do you believe the life history traits of the organism in the OP came to be?

2) By what specific mechanisms and processes do you believe the biochemical pathways of the organism in the OP came to be?

3) By what specific mechanisms and processes do you believe the genetic sequences of the organism in the OP came to be?

You ask this of @nPeace, @Deeje & me, but no one ever tackles what I’ve asked for, several times: an explanation of the pressures and gradual pathways of Pakicetus-to-whale evolution. Specifically.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
You’re concentrating on the genetics of those worms,

No, I'm concentrating on the traits of said worm that YOU claimed weren't created by your god and how your god only created "families", and how that implies that this god of yours DID create the traits you said he didn't create.

In short: I'm exposing your nonsense claims.

and overlooking the “perfect ( Deut. 32:4)” immune system that Jehovah had endowed A & E with, which they lost when they rebelled.

The fact is that you claimed your god didn't create such horrible creatures and that the "horrible" traits evolved naturally and that god only created the "families". But I have just brought to your attention that the ancestors of this creature at the family level and beyond were just as horrible.

So what's that about?

(Of course I understand that you don’t think A & E ever existed...

They demonbstrably didn't. This is not a matter of me "thinking" or "believing" or "assuming" that. It's a matter of it being demonstrably incorrect that they existed as per the story.

I guess you think the entire religion of Judaism is based on falsehoods, too.)

And you likely think the same about scientology, the roman pantheon, the greek gods, the norse gods, hinduism, etc.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
I don’t know, could be. I’m not a biologist, nor a chemist.

I'm shocked!! Absolutely SHOCKED!

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

nPeace said:
What don't you understand about, "reproducing according to their kinds"?

Define "kind" in this context.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

nPeace said:
Do you believe someone in their right mind would make up something like that? Do you think the Bible writers were loony?
I must be loony, asking Bob the Unbeliever this.

The exact same could be asked and said about ANY religion. 99.99% of which you do not believe in.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

nPeace said:
I'm not here to discuss evolution.
I have said how creation occurred. If you have a problem with it working, then you can tell me how it cannot work.

Secondly, there is no one mechanism agreed upon, on how evolution happened, and by evolution in this case, I am referring to adaptation, and not the extrapolated idea suggests, which no one agrees on how that happened.

However, to repeat, the OP is about creation. I am under no obligation to discuss hotly debated evolutionary mechanisms with you.
Also if you are just here to ask questions, and ignore questions addressed to you, then I will not be responding to your posts.

The only place where evolution is a "hotly debated item", is in fundamentalist religious circles.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

Jose Fly said:
Does anyone who's following this thread know what nPeace believes about how the life history traits, biochemical pathways, and genetic sequences of the organism in the OP came to be?

Nope. And that doesn't go for justs nPeace, but for just about all creationists engaged in this topic. Especially the JWs

nPeace · Dec 12, 2019

Jose Fly said:
It looks like you're gearing up to put me on ignore again. You tried the same thing last time, where you claimed I was ignoring your questions while refusing to say what questions you wanted me to answer (no matter how many times I asked). Rather than do that, why not just say something like "I don't want to talk to you about this anymore"? At least that's honest.

Anyways, at this point I think it's prudent to put this to the group and see what the general opinion is.

Does anyone who's following this thread know what nPeace believes about how the life history traits, biochemical pathways, and genetic sequences of the organism in the OP came to be?

Do you have a short memory, except for particular things you keep in record that JWs say?
You don't have to worry about me putting you on ignore. I already told you that.
I also told you point blank, that I have no desire to discuss this topic with you anymore. Forgot? Or just not hearing what I say? Or just not understanding what I say? Or just not caring what I say?
Would that not confirm that what I have said about your only focusing on your view, and what you want to say, and ask, is true.
Need the link to that post?

I also gave you the reason in that post. Were you listening?
...and now you are saying you didn't see a question?. ...and just want your question answered regardless of what I said?
That's a two way conversation to you? Wow. Just Wow.

nPeace · Dec 12, 2019

TagliatelliMonster said:
The only place where evolution is a "hotly debated item", is in fundamentalist religious circles.

Why do you constantly jump in to discussions where you evidently don't know what is being discussed, only to say something totally irrelevant to what was said? No need for you to answer that.
That's what you just did... again.

nPeace · Dec 12, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Have you never listened to gossip? But nevermind that-- humans do not live to be 200 years old, let alone 900 or whatever bizarre fairy tale you care to list. The fact it claims such a thing? Is 100% proof it's myth.

No-- they were writing myth, they were not interested in writing history.

However-- anyone who thinks Noah hand-built an ark at the age of 600? Well...

Magic? Was it Magic Elixor that Noah was drinking or something?

Very funny... but I am not allowed to rate it funny.

TagliatelliMonster · Dec 12, 2019

nPeace said:
Why do you constantly jump in to discussions where you evidently don't know what is being discussed, only to say something totally irrelevant to what was said?

I have psychological problems with leaving BS unanswered.

You sneaked in a claim that evolution is somehow a "hotly debated item".
It isn't.

No need for you to answer that.

Ow, it's my pleasure, no problem at all.

That's what you just did... again.

Yes, I once again called you out on your BS. Guilty as charged.

nPeace · Dec 12, 2019

How sad that one's head can swell so big as to prevent them from seeing when they are wrong, and when pointed out, they insist they are right.
Prediction - They will claim this ironic.

Salvador · Dec 12, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Have you never listened to gossip? But nevermind that-- humans do not live to be 200 years old, let alone 900 or whatever bizarre fairy tale you care to list. The fact it claims such a thing? Is 100% proof it's myth.

No-- they were writing myth, they were not interested in writing history.

However-- anyone who thinks Noah hand-built an ark at the age of 600? Well...

Magic? Was it Magic Elixor that Noah was drinking or something?

No Bronze aged magic needed for constructing the Ark, just some heavy duty equipment or lots of power tools. ...

Bob the Unbeliever · Dec 12, 2019

Deeje said:
Well, I find your response equally hilarious TBH......Since "nothing comes from nothing"....the alternative is that "something" is responsible for the universe and for the design of things seen on this planet that apparently exist nowhere else....

Perhaps you need to see how your own comment missed the point completely......

Irony: the single group of people who make the claim "nothing from nothing"? Is Creationists and similar god-book followers.

No actual scientists, nor actual scientific theory, ever makes such a silly claim!

No-- Nothing from Nothing is straight outta the BIBLE in Genesis 1!

Bob the Unbeliever · Dec 12, 2019

nPeace said:
Very funny... but I am not allowed to rate it funny.

Indeed-- a story about a 600 year old man-- with only 4 kids-- building a giant boat in the desert -- has got to be one of the funniest scams ever written.

I would bet $1,000 that if you had a Time Machine Viewer? And were to go back to see who the actual humans were, that inspired the Ark Story?

You could re-create the entire narrative, with a farmer, his wife, a couple of kids, several dogs, some cows, chickens too, goats and some sheep-- on a wooden 10 foot raft, on a lake for a longish weekend.

"Did you hear about old Noah? He nearly drowned when the lake flooded-- but he built a big raft and just floated there all weekend!"

"Did you hear about old Noah? He built this giant raft, and saved his whole farm! And the neighbor's too! They were on that lake for a week!"

"Did you hear about Noah? He built this giant raft-boat, and saved every animal in the village! He refused to flee the rising flood waters, claiming he could save the animals! He was out on the lake for a month!"

"Did you hear about this guy named Noah? He was 3 valleys over, and .... "

nPeace · Dec 12, 2019

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Indeed-- a story about a 600 year old man-- with only 4 kids-- building a giant boat in the desert -- has got to be one of the funniest scams ever written.

I would bet $1,000 that if you had a Time Machine Viewer? And were to go back to see who the actual humans were, that inspired the Ark Story?

You could re-create the entire narrative, with a farmer, his wife, a couple of kids, several dogs, some cows, chickens too, goats and some sheep-- on a wooden 10 foot raft, on a lake for a longish weekend.

"Did you hear about old Noah? He nearly drowned when the lake flooded-- but he built a big raft and just floated there all weekend!"

"Did you hear about old Noah? He built this giant raft, and saved his whole farm! And the neighbor's too! They were on that lake for a week!"

"Did you hear about Noah? He built this giant raft-boat, and saved every animal in the village! He refused to flee the rising flood waters, claiming he could save the animals! He was out on the lake for a month!"

"Did you hear about this guy named Noah? He was 3 valleys over, and .... "

Did you hear about Peter? He prophesied this.

SkepticThinker · Dec 12, 2019

Evangelicalhumanist said:
Hee-hee! Gotta love it! In one breath you say "nothing comes from nothing" and then immediately that "'something' created it all."

If you can't see why that's too funny...

Ah, you beat me to it!

SkepticThinker · Dec 12, 2019

Hockeycowboy said:
You’re concentrating on the genetics of those worms, and overlooking the “perfect ( Deut. 32:4)” immune system that Jehovah had endowed A & E with, which they lost when they rebelled. (Of course I understand that you don’t think A & E ever existed... I guess you think the entire religion of Judaism is based on falsehoods, too.)

How do we know those two people existed and how do we know they had "perfect" immune systems?
How was that demonstrated? So but the onus is on you, since you're stating this stuff so matter-of-factly.

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