More guns is obviously the answer...

oldbadger · Dec 10, 2019

esmith said:
Did you not read what I wrote, doesn't appear so to me. Let me refresh your memory. ALL FIREARMS SHOULD ALWAYS BE CONSIDERED LOADED

Well.... sure! But you never know....... because some idiot could leave one loaded!

Home security? What kind of home security is reasonable and what type of security would keep an intruder from gaining access to your place of residence?

Ah ha! Now, please tell us..... this intruder, now within your home as you dash for your loaded gun........ exactly..... ....... How did this intruder get inside your home? Just write a brief description of how this happened, please.

They want something that they think you have, I would assume.

There! Now we know that you DO NOT have a job or lifestyle which would put you or family in any special dangers. Where I live some jobs come with special expenses provisions for extra security for family etc. You are not in that bracket, obviously.

Nobody is 'coming at you' especially. Now, please describe how your imagined intruder gained access to your home.

oldbadger · Dec 10, 2019

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
That is not common sense. That is just BS.

Ah ha! We learn more about you!

So you think that list is B.S. ??? This clearly means that you have never bothered to:-

... Never taken out 3rd party risks public liability insurance.
So if you or your gun caused an accident you aren't insured. Irresponsible?

...Never really focused upon home security.
....Never fitted secured gun safes.
So theft of guns from your home is too easy.
Irresponsible?

...Don't believe in Mandatory all-gun licensing.

And what are you calling a 'military assault weapon'?

Good-Ole-Rebel

You don't know what guns like an AR-15 are?
I thought you would have knowledge about the difference between a gun used in sport, or vermin control, or competition ..... and war. ??

oldbadger · Dec 10, 2019

Father Heathen said:
While we're at it let's get rid of driver's licences and age limits on cars, alcohol, tobacco, etc. and then plant Old Glory atop a hill of dead children while we praise Jesus.

Yeah!
And why should shops bother with Public Liability Insurance?
Stuff like that........ ?

I want to read a description showing how some frantic intruder managed to get in to one of the homes of these 'free to gun' folks.. They can't spend tuppence on simple home security.

Good-Ole-Rebel · Dec 10, 2019

oldbadger said:
Ah ha! We learn more about you!

So you think that list is B.S. ??? This clearly means that you have never bothered to:-

... Never taken out 3rd party risks public liability insurance.
So if you or your gun caused an accident you aren't insured. Irresponsible?

...Never really focused upon home security.
....Never fitted secured gun safes.
So theft of guns from your home is too easy.
Irresponsible?

...Don't believe in Mandatory all-gun licensing.

You don't know what guns like an AR-15 are?
I thought you would have knowledge about the difference between a gun used in sport, or vermin control, or competition ..... and war. ??

So? What have you learned?

Yes, your list is BS. for the reasons I gave. There are plenty of laws already concerning guns. Such laws are simply ignored when one wants to commit a crime with a gun.

You can put labels on a type of gun all you want. It will still kill you. An AR-15 is simply a semi-automatic. Is that what you want banned? You want all semi-automatic rifles and pistols and shotguns banned? How about pump shotguns? How about a double barrel shot gun? 'Assault rifle' is just a buzz phrase to strike fear in the hearts of liberals. Any gun is an assault gun if you use it to assault someone.

You can use a shotgun for sport, vermin control, home defense, competition, and war. So?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Skreeper · Dec 10, 2019

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
Why? For your safety. But...no problem. You don't want one, that's fine.

Me and mine do have them. And want them. And we are not fragile moods.

Good-Ole-Rebel

If you need a gun at the ready at all times just to feel safe then I would think about moving if I were you.

Doesn't seem very nice to live in a place where murderers lurk around every corner.

You can come to my neighborhood if you want to espace that terrible war zone you currently live in.

Kangaroo Feathers · Dec 10, 2019

Father Heathen said:
No, it's unrealistic to think that an armed citizenry would rise up against, much less actually defeat, a tyrannical government. Who would the armed rebellion be organized and coordinated under, and how would you expect to come to a public consensus that the government needs overthrown? And how are a bunch of yokels going to take on better armed and better trained police/military? Most gun owners presume that a tyrannical government would exclusively be a leftist one (a scenario many of them probably fantasize about and hope for, imagining themselves being Rambo.) If a far-right totalitarian regime took power however, the gun crowd would probably be on their knees licking their boots in admiration. I simply don't trust drunken, shotgun toting rednecks to be my savior in the event I find myself under a dictatorship. In fact, I'd wager that their votes would lay the groundwork for such an outcome.
And all that aside, you have gun fetishists who buy chintzy military style gadgets, attachments, accessories, etc. that actually serve no practical use for civilians, just because makes them feel like some sort of bad@*** special-ops commando. Usually same set with open carry; it's about feeling like a bad@*** and letting the world know.
Many actually hope for a situation to occur where they can justifiably kill and be hailed a hero, but a gun should be regarded like a fire extinguisher; have on hand in case of an emergency but hope to never have to use it. Could you imagine people decorating their fire extinguishers or buying stupid, useless attachments for them? Or posing with them?

All points that have been pointed out the fetishists before. Their "We need gunz to stop tyranny" isn't a logical claim. It's a thin veneer of a rationalisation to hide a Red Dawn/Wyatt Earp fantasy. It's not based on actual facts or reason, so pointing out contrary facts and reason doesn't shift them, just causes cognitive disonance and makes them double down.

Guitar's Cry · Dec 10, 2019

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
That is not common sense. That is just BS.

They already have background checks. They already have age restrictions. They already have training if you want to carry. And what are you calling a 'military assault weapon'?

Good-Ole-Rebel

I personally think, at least for public carry, emergency medical training and crisis response training would be helpful.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 10, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
The article doesn't come out and say it, but the way they describe the child's mother, it seems like the implication is that she may have stolen the gun. If so, then the colour probably wasn't something she deliberately chose.

I think I was wrong on this point. Another, less sensationalized article does make it sound like it was her gun. It also adds some details:

Adamson, a recovering methamphetamine addict with a history of drug charges, told authorities she had loaded the gun after a threatening visit from a drug dealer called “Beast,” and was high on methamphetamine when she failed to secure it.

Colorado Springs mom sentenced in death of son who thought loaded gun was a toy

esmith · Dec 10, 2019

oldbadger said:
Well.... sure! But you never know....... because some idiot could leave one loaded!

Yeah you never know if some idiot would be dumb enough to not clear a weapon before examining it.

oldbadger said:
Ah ha! Now, please tell us..... this intruder, now within your home as you dash for your loaded gun........ exactly..... ....... How did this intruder get inside your home? Just write a brief description of how this happened, please.

He got beamed in, or didn't you know they can do that

oldbadger said:
There! Now we know that you DO NOT have a job or lifestyle which would put you or family in any special dangers. Where I live some jobs come with special expenses provisions for extra security for family etc. You are not in that bracket, obviously.

Nope retired, and my only family (not counting my sibling who is a deputy sheriff) is just me and the wife who is has her own weapon and has gone through almost the same training as me and practices at least twice a month(unless it's too cold, wet, or snowy).
Just for ****s and giggles what kind of extra security for the family are you talking about?

oldbadger said:
Nobody is 'coming at you' especially. Now, please describe how your imagined intruder gained access to your home.

Just told you they beamed in.

9-10ths_Penguin · Dec 10, 2019

esmith said:
Yeah you never know if some idiot would be dumb enough to not clear a weapon before examining it.

Are you seriously criticizing a two-year-old for not knowing how to handle a firearm safely?

Revoltingest · Dec 10, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
All points that have been pointed out the fetishists before. Their "We need gunz to stop tyranny" isn't a logical claim. It's a thin veneer of a rationalisation to hide a Red Dawn/Wyatt Earp fantasy. It's not based on actual facts or reason, so pointing out contrary facts and reason doesn't shift them, just causes cognitive disonance and makes them double down.

When I read such a post, I'm tempted to respond in kind....

"Personal safety stems from government, our big brother.
We should trust only cops & politicians with that power over us.
They're competent, honest, & always there for us....trust only them
to keep us safe.
And guns are scary...I'd never touch one.....they're so big &
black....& they make loud BOOM BOOM noises. There shouldn't
even be a military or weapons of any kind. If we gave them all up
there'd be threat of war. Kumbaya, dude.
You can't hug your children with nuclear arms."

Fortunately for my fellow posters, I'd never never be so sarcastic.

Revoltingest · Dec 10, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Are you seriously criticizing a two-year-old for not knowing how to handle a firearm safely?

With my keen reading comprehension (having attended a large
public school), I discern that he's speaking of gun owners, not
toddlers gaining improper access to guns.

Kangaroo Feathers · Dec 10, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Are you seriously criticizing a two-year-old for not knowing how to handle a firearm safely?

gotta blame those victims, otherwise you might have to actually address the fact that America's ridiculous gun culture is problematic.

esmith · Dec 10, 2019

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Are you seriously criticizing a two-year-old for not knowing how to handle a firearm safely?

I suggest you read the previous discussions I was having concerning situations before you stumble in and make comments that are totally irrelevant to the discussion topic.

esmith · Dec 10, 2019

Kangaroo Feathers said:
gotta blame those victims, otherwise you might have to actually have to address the fact that America's ridiculous gun culture is problematic.

One would have to look at the ridiculous problematic non-comprehension of the field of firearms of the anti-gun simpletons when addressing that field.

oldbadger · Dec 10, 2019

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
So? What have you learned?

Yes, your list is BS. for the reasons I gave. There are plenty of laws already concerning guns. Such laws are simply ignored when one wants to commit a crime with a gun.

You can put labels on a type of gun all you want. It will still kill you. An AR-15 is simply a semi-automatic. Is that what you want banned? You want all semi-automatic rifles and pistols and shotguns banned? How about pump shotguns? How about a double barrel shot gun? 'Assault rifle' is just a buzz phrase to strike fear in the hearts of liberals. Any gun is an assault gun if you use it to assault someone.

You can use a shotgun for sport, vermin control, home defense, competition, and war. So?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Ignoring insurance, home security, home gun safes, examination and all licensing is not BS. It's common sense.

esmith · Dec 10, 2019

oldbadger said:
Ignoring insurance, home security, home gun safes, examination and all licensing is not BS. It's common sense.

No nothing more than an opinion.

Good-Ole-Rebel · Dec 10, 2019

Skreeper said:
If you need a gun at the ready at all times just to feel safe then I would think about moving if I were you.

Doesn't seem very nice to live in a place where murderers lurk around every corner.

You can come to my neighborhood if you want to espace that terrible war zone you currently live in.

If a gun is not at the ready at all times, then it is worthless.

If you 'feel' safe due to the governments protection of you....you live in a false sense of security. If you feel safe because of your neighborhood....you live in a false sense of security.

If I came to your neighborhood I would have a gun.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel · Dec 10, 2019

Guitar's Cry said:
I personally think, at least for public carry, emergency medical training and crisis response training would be helpful.

Emergency medical training is always helpful whether you carry a gun or not.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good-Ole-Rebel · Dec 10, 2019

oldbadger said:
Ignoring insurance, home security, home gun safes, examination and all licensing is not BS. It's common sense.

You must be in the insurance and home security business. You answered none of my questions which shows your statements are BS.

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