Jose Fly
Fisker of men
To see if they are okay with this sort of thing becoming routine for presidents to do as they are up for re-election.
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Will this be normal now?
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
shmogie
Well-Known Member
I think that any president who has put pressure on a foreign government to attack it's rampant corruption has an obligation to ask that any Americans might be involved in said corruption. be investigated. The son of a vice President who rakes in huge amounts of money from a known corrupt company for doing nothing sure appears corrupt. Was it paid for influence with the VP, or the government ? They question of why the money was paid becomes more important because the VP was in charge of US policy toward Ukraine. The fact that he became a candidate for president doesn't change the dynamics of what occurred,
What could become a standard practice is impeachment being used as a purely political tool to remove or tarnish the president of the other party with flimsy evidence, with no clear cut crimes being identified.
What could also become standard is impeachment based upon a pure party line vote, with no bipartisan support, unlike the three impeachments in our history.
What also could become standard is calls for impeachment before the inauguration, and investigations not because of a crime by the president, but in search of a crime by the president, Continuous non stop investigations that grind on for years, till a hook to hang impeachment on is found.
Precedents are powerful things, so is tit for tats in politics.
Some day their will be a democrat president, and I can envision, based on precedent, investigations into every aspect of that presidents life. Beria, the head of stalins secret police said, "show me the man, and I will show you the crime".
Extremely well funded investigations, with lots of staff involved will find an impeachable offense, especially since this precedent has made the bar so low.
Hamilton warned exactly of this, yet it has come to pass.
So, that next democrat president is likely to be treated as Trump has, maybe worse. Then the next Republican president will have it stuck to her. Totally resist and begin impeachment efforts at the beginning of a presidency, and never stop them during the entire term of the presidency.
Trump will survive this, no problem. But will the American political system as we have known it for both parties survive ? Will we become a political banana republic ?
I have very serious concerns about this. I can see revenge by the Republicans in response as kicking off the new use of impeachment, yet that revenge is richly deserved by the democrats.
I'm not convinced that you're paying much attention either.
But you're convinced that your feelings are the reality.
(Just look at how furious your avatar is...irrationally so.)
Hence your lack of support for them.
You don't think I've addressed your post.
I tried.
But I think I've done so more than you'll admit, eg,
showing that Nixon's & Clinton's wrongful acts were
given passes. So Trump's aren't a new development.
We're at an impasse.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So Shmogie's a "yes".
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
sealchan
Well-Known Member
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Pretty much. If you'll check out the backgrounds of most of the testifiers you will find ties to Hillary directly and the Democrats in general. Case in point:
Impeachment Witness Pamela Karlan Once Said She Crossed the Street to Avoid Trump Hotel
If they brag about using U.S. aid to fire the prosecutor investigating the company their son is corruptly receiving millions of dollars from, yes.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
So you cant be trusted if you dont like Trump? Can we trust that assessment as sufficient to determine the truth? Did all these witnesses get together and force Trump and Mulvaney to admit what they did before they were even asked to testify?
Sounds like Bulverism.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
You know, it's a myth that ostriches bury their heads in the sand when they don't want to know something, but in this case I think it fits.
I speak of posters here...you know...the ones who loathe him,
assume the worst, & foist beliefs upon others without evidence.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Absolutely. And GOP can't complain if or whenever a democrat president asks foreign agencies investigating their opponents in the future. It will become an accepted standard.
It wouldn't surprise me, since many of them express a want to the presidency to be supreme.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Or citizen not in office.
Giuliani has taken on to work on these things on his own by going to Ukraine, and it seems to be okay too to most people.
It should be obvious. We want to know what the current expectations about ethics are... mostly so that we can point out the more-than-likely hypocrisy of the GOP and its supporters in the recent past, present and near future.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It was perfectly ok back when Obama asked the Ukraine to Investigate Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager.
And now when the Socialist Democrats find the tables turned, they themselves plan a bloodless coup, touting high and mighty ideals about the Constitution of which they themselves don't even respect or follow.
It doesn't take much to see just who the real criminals are.
Very seriously indeed.
In case you have noticed, the very viability of the institutions of the USA is in serious danger.
Thanks for the laught, I guess.
But you really ought to care more about the place where you live, you know.