Okay then I don't understand I never stated that defying the laws that he created was actually true I just stated that it was a possibility?
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Evolution My ToE
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ecco
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Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said you can't prove there is a god.
I said you were being disingenuous when you stated: "Whether there is a God or not that still remains to be seen" because it is very obvious from your posts that you do believe in the God of Genesis and Jesus.
However, if you'd care to Prove God, go for it. Please understand that I never ask for proof of the unprovable, but you did imply you could do it.
ecco
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halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Then, with that over-literalistic (odd, simplistic) rule, one might have to ignore (or break their own odd rule for) certain verses, since the word is used in the 2nd chapter in a way that too much literalism would make the overall account obviously self-contradicting even in just the first 3 chapters already. Even poor readers that fail to read carefully couldn't follow such an over-literalistic rule too long. They'd have to toss the rule into the trash, or simply refuse to see the word on the page, or some other technique. See, the YEC really is based on added ideas not in the text (uch as assuming no time passes during verse 1 before the moment verse 2, as only one easy example), or sometimes (for some versions) by ignoring what the text says. But the added assumptions are often merely unconscious I think. They don't even realize they are added things nowhere in the text. I don't get too concerned about that (it's enough to just point out the reality of the old earth, which most Christians already believe by the way, and leave it at that). I've noticed people make mistakes is the rule, not the exception. You can't fix every mistaken idea people have. You can't even fix most of the mistaken ideas of even 1 person. People are better off to focus more on learning more new things than to spend too much time trying to correct others in my view. So, I often would write only 1 or 2 posts max in a thread on the false dichotomy of 'creation vs evolution' which is sorta like....'cows vs pencils' or some other nonsense debate.
ecco
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Do you understand anything from the cut and pastes that you posted? Anything?
SkepticThinker
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ecco
Veteran Member
We do have answers to that question. Whether they are "reasonable and credible" is for each person to decide.
GodDidIt:
Creation Myths -- African Bushmen Creation Myth
African Bushmen Creation Myth
People did not always live on the surface of the earth. At one time people and animals lived underneath the earth with Kaang (Käng), the Great Master and Lord of All Life. In this place people and animals lived together peacefully. They understood each other. No one ever wanted for anything and it was always light even though there wasn't any sun. During this time of bliss Kaang began to plan the wonders he would put in the world above.
First Kaang created a wondrous tree, with branches stretching over the entire country. At the base of the tree he dug a hole that reached all the way down into the world where the people and animals lived. After he had finished furnishing the world as he pleased he led the first man up the hole. He sat down on the edge of the hole and soon the first woman came up out of it.
GodDidIt:
Genesis 1 NIV
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
African Bushmen Creation Myth
People did not always live on the surface of the earth. At one time people and animals lived underneath the earth with Kaang (Käng), the Great Master and Lord of All Life. In this place people and animals lived together peacefully. They understood each other. No one ever wanted for anything and it was always light even though there wasn't any sun. During this time of bliss Kaang began to plan the wonders he would put in the world above.
First Kaang created a wondrous tree, with branches stretching over the entire country. At the base of the tree he dug a hole that reached all the way down into the world where the people and animals lived. After he had finished furnishing the world as he pleased he led the first man up the hole. He sat down on the edge of the hole and soon the first woman came up out of it.
GodDidIt:
Genesis 1 NIV
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
There are thousands more referencing thousands of different gods.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I gave you some the last time you asked, which was a couple of days ago.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
That's why I generally don't bother with him. He takes people down endless rabbit trails, and oftentimes circles back down the same trails as if he'd never been there before. That, and he seems to be here mostly to preach.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Why do you insist on continuing to argument based on this logical fallacy?I'm not against looking through microscopes at cells or DNA. But it does not prove evolution. Please get over it.You keep talking about a religious agenda. I'm speaking about the incredibility of evolution. Go back to the Britannica definition of abiogenesis. All conjecture. There's just no way you can explain it as not conjecture, and do you dare give an answer to the truth of the huge amounts of money spent on star-gazing...leading to what? Better conditions for those living on the earth? (Let me know...) So, from the Britannica:
"Abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. Abiogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex. Biogenesis, in which life is derived from the reproduction of other life, was presumably preceded by abiogenesis, which became impossible once Earth’s atmosphere assumed its present composition."
l'm also beginning to think that it's possible some great leaders might think of taking the polluting elements from the earth and spinning them to Mars or the moon.
Just because you don't understand a thing or can't wrap your mind around it doesn't make it false. That's an error in reasoning.
ecco
Veteran Member
Why would educators a\t the college level say: "evolution may not be true"?
Did you hear any say: "Gravity may not be true"?
Did you hear any say: "Heliocentricity may not be true"?
ecco
Veteran Member
Religious people like things to be simple: Black and White. Good and Evil. That's part of the draw of religion.
Incredible?
in·cred·i·ble
/inˈkredəb(ə)l/
adjective
- 1.
impossible to believe.
"an almost incredible tale of triumph and tragedy"
- 2.
difficult to believe; extraordinary.
"the noise from the crowd was incredible"
Evolution is just so complex and so complicated that it is difficult to believe, especially for people who were raised believing GodDidIt explained everything. "In the beginning, God Poofed" is so much easier to digest.
It's also difficult to believe that a 190 ton pile of metal and plastic can fly in the air, yet 747's do fly.
It's also difficult to believe that the earth is a spinning globe and no one falls off.
Your incredulity has no bearing on the world whatsoever.
dad
Undefeated
We would start with your flatworm, plant, and insect relatives that you think you evolved from because that is easier than starting at an imaginary first life form.
Depends on what they do.
Since you can't defend your beliefs time for you to run apparently
ecco
Veteran Member
Yeah. Some of us have a bias toward believing in science.
Think about that when you type your response on a computer that is connected to the entire world. A computer that would not exist if all people dismissed and denigrated science like you do.
ecco
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halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Yes, that's right. My guess is that even people without a lot of literary skill and never having heard the bizarre YEC theories could easily notice the word day is elastic in some sense once they are reading in chapter 2. (I did without effort even at age 11)
My guess is it would not even be hard for average readers to naturally fit chapter 1 with the fact the Earth is old. They'd mostly fit those together.
Like looking up at the moon and seeing it. It's there. You just look and see.
ecco
Veteran Member
Alternatively, if Marcion had won out there also wouldn't be a problem.
I wonder if the Genesis-believing-anti-evolutionists even know who Marcion is.
ecco
Veteran Member
Sure. By posting about angels, you deflected from the entirety of my comment...
The main point being your belief that God could defy the laws of nature. If that is your belief, then there's not much to have a rational discussion about.
ecco
Veteran Member
If you believe it's a possibility then you can use that "argument" to justify anything. How did the ark survive the most horrific conditions imaginable? GodDidIt.