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Christian Trinity

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
I prefer the mystery of the trinity :D

i believe the "shield of the trinity" helps us get at this mystery

Shield of the Trinity - Wikipedia

Each of the three persons is God but each of the three persons are not any of the other three persons

That's how i understand it
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?
I agree, although I wouldn't say "combined". These are titles for the same Person. God.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
Why not think of "God" like you think of a family. You can have one family that is made up of several persons. Why can't you have one "God" that is made up of several persons? We even talk about a father and a son. That sure sounds like a family. And God gives people the power to become his adopted children. So the family is growing. God is NOT three persons but is a family made up of MANY adopted children. You could even be one of them andthat would make you part of God.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?

No, here's the reality of it:

the-holy-trinity-diagram.png
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?
I would agree that the doctrine of the Trinity is absurd. However, it is equally absurd to say that Jesus, the son of God, is the Father of himself.
 

sugnim

Member
I'm not what you'd call a traditional Christian. But, I see the trinity as 3 of many possible ways of conceiving of God. God is a creator, a person, and a spirit. But God is also limitless. The trinity, to me, is not a trio of characters in a book. Nor is it a riddle. It's more like a set of examples or possibilities.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?
Twenty years ago I might have agreed, but this is a reductionist approach you are talking about.We don't have God in a box, but that goes both ways. A Christian inherits from the Father, the invisible, the incomprehensible, not from some guy who we can make paintings of. I don't agree with making a creed and compelling others to endorse it, which is simply a political compulsion to accept someone else's speech. In defense of Trinity is that Christians generally believe that God is omnipresent, which is why philosophy (and by extension the Trinity) is an acceptable way to learn things about God. Just as you can learn about God from a grain of sand you can do it in other ways, like from dancing or from farming. Maybe you encounter a burning bush that doesn't burn up. That doesn't mean that everybody has to find a talking, burning bush in the desert, but there's nothing wrong with you finding a talking burning bush. Trinity is like that. For some people its their burning bush experience.

I refer you to the Hstory of the doctrine of the Trinity which is well documented. Its no secret how it was developed. As a tool I don't see why there is any problem with it. Yes, I do view as somewhat idolatrous (or at least not Catholic) making other people come to God through your method. If you don't find the Trinity useful, then I don't think you need to accept or endorse it. Therefore I think the creeds are themselves boastful, probably can be ignored. I don't have a problem with people who don't understand or who don't accept the Trinity; and as for people who are always pushing creeds I can overlook their pushiness with a little bit of love. Or I should. Its not always easy.
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
I'm not what you'd call a traditional Christian. But, I see the trinity as 3 of many possible ways of conceiving of God. God is a creator, a person, and a spirit. But God is also limitless. The trinity, to me, is not a trio of characters in a book. Nor is it a riddle. It's more like a set of examples or possibilities.

Reminds me of Wicca. Goddess the maiden, goddess the mother, and goddess the crone. All the same goddess, just different aspects of the same being.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Maybe you can quote those scriptures that say God is a trinity. A father and a son sure sounds like a family to me.

OK, but first tell me whether your views are your opinion or if it's based on the Bible, and show me the scriptures that say adopted children are also God (i.e. your claim: "God is NOT three persons but is a family made up of MANY adopted children.")?

The Trinity scriptures:

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" - Matthew 28:19

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance." - 1 Peter 1:2

"“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased." - Luke 4:32

More examples in the link below:

20 Bible verses that mention all Trinity members

Also, the Holy Spirit is God (Acts chapter 5).

Plus, the Deity of Jesus Christ: The Deity of Jesus Christ in Scripture
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
OK, but first tell me whether your views are your opinion or if it's based on the Bible, and show me the scriptures that say adopted children are also God (i.e. your claim: "God is NOT three persons but is a family made up of MANY adopted children.")?

The Trinity scriptures:

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" - Matthew 28:19

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance." - 1 Peter 1:2

"“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased." - Luke 4:32

More examples in the link below:

20 Bible verses that mention all Trinity members

Also, the Holy Spirit is God (Acts chapter 5).

Plus, the Deity of Jesus Christ: The Deity of Jesus Christ in Scripture
The verses you list do NOT say that these are the ONLY three that are part of God. Look at Ephesians 1:5 He predestined us for adoption as His Sons. Sons are part of a family. Galatians 4:7-9 You are no longer slaves but a son, and as a son then an heir. Romans 8:15 You have received a spirit of adoption as sons. You see, Satan wants you to think God is forever limited to three persons. Satan does not want you to know that you can be part of God's family. That is why Satan promotes this false trinity idea that limits God to three persons. Instead every person has the power to become equal to Christ as part of God's family and an heir along with Jesus.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
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“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity

This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?

I think Bible makes more sense. Bible tells there is only one true God that is greater than Jesus. Jesus is the image of God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Colossians 1:14-16
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
I think Bible makes more sense. Bible tells there is only one true God that is greater than Jesus. Jesus is the image of God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Colossians 1:14-16
What seems to make sense to the human mind is not always true.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
The verses you list do NOT say that these are the ONLY three that are part of God. Look at Ephesians 1:5 He predestined us for adoption as His Sons. Sons are part of a family. Galatians 4:7-9 You are no longer slaves but a son, and as a son then an heir. Romans 8:15 You have received a spirit of adoption as sons. You see, Satan wants you to think God is forever limited to three persons. Satan does not want you to know that you can be part of God's family. That is why Satan promotes this false trinity idea that limits God to three persons. Instead every person has the power to become equal to Christ as part of God's family and an heir along with Jesus.

You make a major reach out of those scriptures. Saying we are adopted sons and heirs does not make us Gods. I don't know of any pastors who teach that we are divine and have the same abilities of supernatural power as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I've heard that Mormonism teaches that their believers can become gods and even have their own planet, but they're a cult and that would be a false teaching.

Make a rock for us?
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
You make a major reach out of those scriptures. Saying we are adopted sons and heirs does not make us Gods. I don't know of any pastors who teach that we are divine and have the same abilities of supernatural power as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I've heard that Mormonism teaches that their believers can become gods and even have their own planet, but they're a cult and that would be a false teaching.

Make a rock for us?
Look at it this way. The son of a dog is a dog. The son of a cow is a cow. Why isn't the son of a god a god? And we do NOT have those powers right now. There is going to be a resurrection and we will become spirits like God. And just because you call a belief a cult does not prove it to be false. No, I am not a Mormon. But I try to look past the false teachings of Satan. If we become co-heirs with Jesus, then we would have the same rights and privileges as Jesus. Wouldn't that be nice? A part of God's family instead of a God that is forever limited to three persons.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
This is only for Christians. All the other religions that I’m aware of have their god and they all see god properly, as far as I can tell (from my extremely limited experience). It’s the Christian religion construct of a trinity of persons that is contrary to common sense. So, I propose the following, for those who call themselves Christian, to ponder:


“The absolute God is Jesus Christ, who is the Lord Jehovah, Creator from eternity, Redeemer in time, and Regenerator to eternity. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit combined. This is the gospel that needs to be preached.” - True Christianity


This seems to make infinitely more sense than the ‘mystery’ of the trinity. What do you think?
One problem: “True Christianity” is Orthodoxy. And Orthodoxy espouses the Trinity.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Look at it this way. The son of a dog is a dog. The son of a cow is a cow. Why isn't the son of a god a god? And we do NOT have those powers right now. There is going to be a resurrection and we will become spirits like God. And just because you call a belief a cult does not prove it to be false. No, I am not a Mormon. But I try to look past the false teachings of Satan. If we become co-heirs with Jesus, then we would have the same rights and privileges as Jesus. Wouldn't that be nice? A part of God's family instead of a God that is forever limited to three persons.

We'll be resurrected but we won't be God. What church teaches what you're claiming - that believers become God? Be specific.
 
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