Maybe it is just another aspect of his forum version of the Gish gallop.
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Evolution My ToE
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ecco
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ecco
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What "ground observer" wrote Genesis?
SkepticThinker
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Where is the proof of dinosaurs? You do realize, of course, that they left their fossilized remains behind, right?
Noah's Ark should be harder to believe than other things that have actual evidence because there is no actual evidence for the Noah's Ark story, while there is actual evidence for things like dinosaurs and ice ages.
SkepticThinker
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Yes, I don't believe things for which there is no evidence. It's the only logical position to hold.
All you've got is assertion upon assertion and blind faith while you demand evidence from others.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Not sure how this makes sense or addresses what I said.
There is nothing informative in this post whatsoever.
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SkepticThinker
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That's the easy way around anything isn't it? Well, God can do anything. The problem is, that doesn't really answer anything.
And ...
How many times has anyone witnessed the laws of nature being suspended? Ever?
SkepticThinker
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Jose Fly
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You really should take the time to learn at least the basics of a subject before trying to debate it....because the above just makes you look a bit foolish. It's no different than if someone were trying to debate the Bible and in doing so said things like "The Bible has terrible lessons, like when Jesus came down from the cross and slayed the lepers...." or "that time Abraham didn't put his son Jacob on the Ark...".
That's how things like what you wrote above come across.
Jose Fly
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For someone who claims to have studied science, you sure do seem to carry around some fundamental misconceptions about it. I would think someone who's studied science would know that when it comes to pre-historical events, all the evidence for them will be circumstantial by necessity. The same is true when forensic scientists try and figure out what happened at crime scenes, when there were no eye witnesses.
It's like I keep saying....if I'm ever on trial for an unwitnessed crime, I'll make sure I get a jury of creationists, because I'll expect their verdict to be something like "The prosecution showed DNA from the defendant at the crime scene, the defendant's fingerprints on the victim, blood stains on the defendant's clothes, and a murder weapon with the victim's blood in the suspect's car, but since that is all circumstantial evidence we could not do anything more than merely assume the defendant's guilt. Therefore we find the defendant not guilty."
SkepticThinker
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This is rather childish, don't you think?
SkepticThinker
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Could you address the point?
SkepticThinker
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Could you address the point?
As I pointed out before, gene simliarity isn't "all they have." I suggest you Google "comparative genomics" for an in-depth look into how nested hierarchies are determined.
As I pointed out before, all evidence coming from multiple fields of science including but not limited to chemistry, botany, paleobotany, geology, genetics, ecology, zoology, etc., etc., etc. all point to the very same conclusion - that evolution is a fact of reality. I also mentioned the fact that evolution is the backbone of modern biology.
Also, you avoided the point again. Perhaps you could address it this time.
dad
Undefeated
So according to you, Jesus was not reaaallly telling the truth. We get your opinion. Your stance is that we must trust man over God or we somehow make God a liar if we believe what He actually said.
dad
Undefeated
My ideas are tainted by wisdom.No, your opinions concerning science aren't tainted by religion at all....
dad
Undefeated
Some of us are funny without a great effort.Ah, so now you actually think you're being a comedian.
I ignore nothing, and accept evolution as seen today. I just do not credit it alone for life on earth as those that disrespect Scripture do.
That means people. His people. Not a building system filled with apostates who do not even believe Scripture.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
If one believes what the actual scripture actually says in the actual, exact wording, they will realize one day (or many will) that scripture does not say nor even allows any guess from what it says about how old the Earth is, since it does not say how much time passed in verse 1 before the wonderful moment that happened later, in verse 2:
Look and see:
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The entire Universe comes into being in verse 1.
Without any suggestion anywhere of how much time is passing. Or passes.
I think this is because it is ultimately trivial. Would it matter if it were zero time, 9.1 billion years or 196 million years, for God?
No.
For God, we learn later in scripture (through Peter), a thousand years are as if only a day.
For us, that kind of time passage, a thousand years, is frightening on some level. We know we have a lot less time than that. Far less.
As a poet wrote, and then was rephrased, and became well known:
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls....
....it tolls for thee."
For us, for our bodies, a thousand years is death. How much more a million years...a billion -- they are on some profound level to our bodies...frightening.
But for God, any time is as if...only the passing of a day. Time is utterly elastic for Him. A thousand years like a day, and a day like a thousand years. In a way, time is nothing, for Him. We might wonder if He moves through any amount of time as easily as a fish flicks itself through water. Effortlessly.
Look and see:
1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The entire Universe comes into being in verse 1.
Without any suggestion anywhere of how much time is passing. Or passes.
I think this is because it is ultimately trivial. Would it matter if it were zero time, 9.1 billion years or 196 million years, for God?
No.
For God, we learn later in scripture (through Peter), a thousand years are as if only a day.
For us, that kind of time passage, a thousand years, is frightening on some level. We know we have a lot less time than that. Far less.
As a poet wrote, and then was rephrased, and became well known:
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls....
....it tolls for thee."
For us, for our bodies, a thousand years is death. How much more a million years...a billion -- they are on some profound level to our bodies...frightening.
But for God, any time is as if...only the passing of a day. Time is utterly elastic for Him. A thousand years like a day, and a day like a thousand years. In a way, time is nothing, for Him. We might wonder if He moves through any amount of time as easily as a fish flicks itself through water. Effortlessly.
dad
Undefeated
Adam and Eve were tested. If there were, say, 10,000 trees in the garden, and only one tree was forbidden, I do not find that unfair. So, I figure that the manifest destiny of man was such, that we had to learn one way or the other. We are not robots, and as co rulers in the kingdom of God with Jesus, we needed to get real and grow up I guess.
dad
Undefeated
Me either, so when you get evidence for the nature you claim existed in the far past, get back to us.
My assertion is that you cannot defend your faith.
dad
Undefeated
Read again for comprehension
personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
The hellish creation claims of science could not get any lower. No dragging needed.