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Why Does An Archangel From Heaven Have to Debate For Years They Exist?

Do you think Zanda is an archangel?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • No

    Votes: 30 88.2%
  • Not sure? Ask...

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Total voters
    34

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Or if we do, we have our own pre-existing deities and Saviors.
'We are our own pre-existing divine beings, and we are our own saviours'.

The angels in the Bible were people, John the Baptist has been translated as being a Messenger, yet was prophesied as a Divine Being, and the word Angel is used in Greek; Yeshua was prophesied as the Lord coming, therefore many of us here are all angels in human form.
So for you to preach your message to us, respectfully- well it has a lot of great points, but us needing you as a Messiah, would kind of be like us still needing cassettes in a CD and DVD and Blu-Ray world.
There is no preaching, as that makes it out of reach.

This is trying to respectfully show people where they can advance their theologies to get out of Hell by wisdom.

As for needing a Messiah (Archangel - Elohim), the world is on the verge of economic, environmental, societal, educational, and sustainable disasters, where I've got complete solutions for these; yet no one is accepting Messianic prophecy, thus the world dies whilst some wait for the Messiah.

The first problem though is WW3 is the Great Tribulation, and if we do not prevent that mankind is over shortly in a nuclear holocaust on a global scale.

Armageddon can be a War of Words, and can intellectually raise humanity out of the pits it is in with everyone's help...

So the world doesn't need to believe in a Messiah, it needs people to believe together that a miracle solution is possible between us.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You are already well known on RF, so that's a start
Also well known on Paltalk, yet everyone thinks I'm stupid because they don't sit, and 'Listen Long Enough' to understand; before interjecting it is wrong in someway...



These both heard the song, as they came to listen, and try to understand compassionately; most fail, where the music was never heard.

Matthew 11:17 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance. We cried unto you, and you didn’t mourn.’

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
That's nice, but why isn't there an E-l in the name?. Could've at least been called Sand-E-l-phon, you know?
I've done a tiny bit of research on the legend of Sandalophon. The strongest resemblance seemed to be in personality of the angel. This is the first time I recall hearing about Sandalphon's function in Jewish ideologies "as a pillar". I haven't seen that reflected anywhere yet.

Usually Sandalphon is mentioned by our friend @wizanda, because the legend of Sandalphon, the angel, exists in all three of the major branches of Abrahamic Monotheism.

Here's the "Sandalphon" entry from the "Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson: The elements which I think are significant in relation to Zanda are emphasized. I actually think that of all the manifestations/incarnations... Sandolphon is the best fit. Not just based on specific points, but also on the macro. But that's just me based on the info I have on-hand.

Page 257: It's one of the longer entries similar in size to Samael, Lucifer, and the other big names in Angel Legends.

Sandalphon (Sandolphon, Sandolfon --- Greek, "co-brother" originally the prophet Elias ( Elijah ). In rabbinc lore, Sandalphon is one of the sarim (angelic princes), twin brother of Metatron, master ( hazzan ) master of heavenly song. Exceeding Hadraniel in height by a 500-year foot journey, he is regarded as one of the tallest heirarchs in the celestial realms -- Moses, sighting him from in the 3rd Heaven, called him "tall angel." Talmud Hagiga 13b says his head reaches Heaven ( which was also said of Israfel and of the Greek giant typhoon ). In Mathers, The Greater Key of Solomon, Sandolphon is designated as "the left hand feminine figure of the cherub of the ark". In liturgy for the Feast of Tabernacles, he is credited with gathering the prayers of the faithful, making a garland of such prayers and, and then "adjuring them to ascend as an orb to the supreme King of Kings." In 3 Enoch, Sandalphon is described as the ruler of the 6th heaven (makon) but, in The Zohar ( Exodus 202b ), he is "chief of the 7th Heaven." According to Islamic lore, he dwells in 4th Heaven. As is reported of Michael, he carries on ceaseless combat with apparently indestructible Samael ( Satan ), prince of evil. In popular etymology, Sandalphon is a fancier of sandals ( soft shoes ) when he stands in the presence of his Maker, but leather shoegear when he appears before the Shekinah ( see The Zohar ). The ancient sages identified Sandalphon with Ophan ( q.v. ) He is also said also by cabalists, to be instrumental in bringing about differenetiation of sex in the embreyo -- a good thing to bring to the attention of expectant mothers. [RF. Yalkut Reubeni] in Longfellow's "Sandalphon" he is "Angel of Glory, Angel of Prayer". Longfellow's inspiration for the poem deriving from J.P. Stehelin, Traditions of The Jews.

There is also a wikipedia article: Sandalphon - Wikipedia
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Sandalphon according to Jewish ideologies is the Pillar between Heaven and Earth; everyone else (sephiroth) resides in Heaven...
IMO, "the root" of everyone's ... resides in ...

that's oneness.

But that is purely My Opinion.
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
After 13 years the 7th Beggar has refused to fulfil Messianic prophecy; even with the impending destruction of Israel...

Unless I get someone more knowledgable than him in Biblical exegesis, to agree to what I'm saying about the Bible; so we do need a Fightclub literally, and as you see I'm not academically skilled so we're at an impasse, so this is why I'm making this appeal to mankind to accept the prophecies, so I can get someone to listen who is more skilled.

All help to prevent the destruction of mankind appreciated. :eartheurafr:

In my opinion. :innocent:
Here's how I feel.

"and as you see I'm not academically skilled so we're at an impasse," I vote that this is false. I don't know why. It's just a hunch. I think that you are not at an impasse. It's just going really slowly.

But that's it as far as I can tell. It's just not fast enough for you.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
There is no preaching
I am not picking on you, I promise. I just want to point out... most respectfully...

'We are our own pre-existing divine beings, and we are our own saviours'.

The angels in the Bible were people, John the Baptist has been translated as being a Messenger, yet was prophesied as a Divine Being, and the word Angel is used in Greek; Yeshua was prophesied as the Lord coming, therefore many of us here are all angels in human form.

All you had to say here was, "Agreed."

Am I misunderstanding what you wrote? All the extra stuff besides "Agreed"... is preachy. I'm sorry. That's how it sounds to me. If that's not how you want it to sound... then... I thought you should know.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Sandalphon is a fancier of sandals ( soft shoes )
Modern waterproof sandals with Velcro straps around. ;)
Usually Sandalphon is mentioned by our friend @wizanda, because the legend of Sandalphon, the angel, exists in all three of the major branches of Abrahamic Monotheism.
I've spent 15 years working for God online, debating the contradictions in the Bible, trying to get Muslims to read all the religious texts, etc.

Then last year The Seventh Beggar in our debates stated, "there is no Archangels that sound anything like Sananda in Judaism"...

So since knowing that Judah is under the Curse, and Blinded (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29), I went to look it up straight away, and after a few weeks of assessments, posted it on here.

Take into account it isn't even on my own site or anywhere else, as I'm bored of trying to prove to people I'm sent from Heaven for 15 years...

Why should other people be talking about their Messengers that were sent, and I'm busy marketing me being an Archangel sent from Heaven, who is here right now. :confused:

The reason for using Sandalphon is based on the equations:

I've been telling people I'm the Archangel in Revelation 10 in 7th's chatroom for 13 years (fulfilled (21) before reading the Bible (24)), and did not know Sandalphon was a Pillar for God between Heaven and Earth.

This means that in Revelation 10:1 where it has the Archangel who Roars like a Lion of Judah (David - Revelation 10:3), is a Pillar for God (Sandalphon), which then interlinks this as being Christ's new name in both (Revelation 3:12).

What is interesting is the argument in Paltalk FightClub, where they think I'm incapable of any logic, and thus call me names, etc, even though the conversation is recorded in Revelation 3:9-12, Isaiah 59 - yet so far, none believe in prophecy as real.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I am not picking
That was 'picking', as the context is 'Preaching makes things out of Reach'; generally I'm trying to raise everyone up, rather than knock anyone down. ;)
Am I misunderstanding what you wrote?
Yes of course, otherwise you'd not assume it was wrong.

Now we need to sit (Selah), and be respectfully kind (Satsang), to find a solution to where there is error in what was stated.....

Which is generally why in Paltalk FightClub the conversation gets ahead of its self, and data is lost.

Let's compare the equations of what was said:

They said basically we have something to follow, and we have an imaginary solution to the end of mankind, as we don't actually believe it will happen.

I'm saying there is no solution unless we fix it, and therefore we are the ones we're waiting for.

A preacher suppresses people into change; a leader empowers them to be more.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
That was 'picking', as the context is 'Preaching makes things out of Reach'; generally I'm trying to raise everyone up, rather than knock anyone down. ;)
OK. I'm sorry. It wasn't intended that way, but I see what you mean.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Which is generally why in Paltalk FightClub the conversation gets ahead of its self, and data is lost.
I just want to say for the record, I am not on PalTalk. Not sure if that matters, but I wanted to point it out.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I'm saying there is no solution unless we fix it, and therefore we are the ones we're waiting for.

A preacher suppresses people into change; a leader empowers them to be more.
OK. I think it's great. Thank you for explaining it.

Sincerely,
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
@wizanda

You're ignoring my advice...

But how do you know I'm not The Source personified, in human form?

For all you know I might be
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
But how do you know I'm not The Source personified, in human form?
Source is beyond form, claiming to be the ultimate one being, manifest down near Hell, is not logical.

We're all part of the Source's Code, and the moment someone goes this bit is exclusive beyond the rest, they're showing signs of insanity.

Oneness is the letting go of attachment to self, and 0neness is seeing Source is everything.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I know you are. What else could you possibly be ?
We're down near Hell, and many agree with these ideas, as everyone down here idolizes in some way.

Mammon means "that in which you have faith"; so when Yeshua said "make friends of Mammon"; he is saying 'here is down near Hell, where people idolize everything down here, including themselves, we're not to be like that'...

Yet because Rabbinic Judaism since Babylon doesn't believe here is down near Hell, the rest of the world doesn't either; which is why now everyone worships their own "I Am" consciousness, this shall be removed in a Day:

Isaiah 47:8-10 “Now therefore hear this, you who are given to pleasures, who sit securely, who say in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me. I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children.’ (9) But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children and widowhood. They will come on you in their full measure, in the multitude of your sorceries, and the great abundance of your enchantments. (10) For you have trusted in your wickedness. You have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and your knowledge has perverted you. You have said in your heart, ‘I am, and there is no one else besides me.’


Yeshua established a Snare, where the Gospel of John is purposely made up with "I Am" statements; to make the demons think they're demigods down in Hell, and then burn the lot.
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In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Mammon means "that in which you have faith"; so when Yeshua said "make friends of Mammon"; he is saying 'here is down near Hell, where people idolize everything down here, including themselves, we're not to be like that
Pretty sure mammon means money, but what do I know?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Pretty sure mammon means money, but what do I know?
Many people are badly educated on this, therefore it isn't our fault to begin with... It is only when we stay with the bad understandings.

Mammon = "that in which one trusts".[4]

What makes the most sense in Yeshua's statements, 'Money' or 'that in which we have trust' i.e 'idolatry'?

Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can’t serve both God and Mammon.

Luke 16:9 I tell you, make for yourselves friends by means of unrighteous mammon, so that when you fail, they may receive you into the eternal habitation.

Luke 16:11 If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?


This world is a realm of desires, and delusions down near Hell (Maya); Yahavah is the 'Lord of Desires' as well as 'Lord of Creation', it made us a reality to exist as we're fallen from a higher state of consciousness, into materialistic pleasures.

Therefore the questions Yeshua (Salvation) is making is ultimately the same one Buddha (Discernment) made: if none of this is real, why would we worship it.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
What makes the most sense in Yeshua's statements, 'Money' or 'that in which we have trust' i.e 'idolize'?
*shrug* I think a lot of the NT doesn't make sense, so I don't really care either way.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
*shrug* I think a lot of the NT doesn't make sense, so I don't really care either way.
We're down near Hell before Judgement Day, where everyone is about to be deleted for being arrogant, and rejecting Yeshua according to the Torah (Deuteronomy 32:15-22), and "you don't care"...

Makes it easier when people declare they're not wanting to be in the Messianic Age; then don't need to spend ages explaining all the scriptures for them.

Good luck on that unenlightened outlook. :confused:

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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