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Evolution My ToE

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The problem I'm seeing with all of this is that when it really boils down to it nobody has any evidence of anything you're saying go look at Google for such and such and so and so and another person is saying go look at the Bible for such and such and so and so and yet nobody can really prove anyting! It's all relative it's all hearsay nobody was alive back then so we don't really know, it's all something that's been handed down generation after generation after generation story after story after story, but what everyone believes is what they believe and obviously no one is going to change anyone's mind! No matter what we say.
OK, let's try this. (I'm not against science.) If I go to the doctor and get a knee replacement because I could not navigate well before that and then I can walk much better with the knee replacement, I consider that proof that the operation was a success. Soooo -- if a person stops stealing, let's say, because he believes GOD is telling him in the pages of the Bible not to steal, then what? It's the same with other areas of morality as written in the Bible.
 

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
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Oh be careful, you might be pegged as a "creationist" with that type of reasoning (or questioning). LOL, about your last sentence. Maybe a bonobo or chimpanzee wouldn't WANT to be transformed into a human. Maybe they like being a bonobo and chimpanzee rather than a human. :)
It isn't very good reasoning and relies on confused versions of aspects of biology that have been explained by science or are not real. In that regard, it does mirror creationist efforts.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
But you've just said that the big difference between a human and a chimpanzee is the lack of those things. But there are humans who lack those things too, so surely we can't be THAT different? Unless you think developmentally disabled people aren't human. Do you?

So, tell me, how do you classify people as human?
Now there's an interesting question. What about those that some categorize as races? Are some races in your view, superior or inferior to other so-called races? If so, in what way?
 

Dan From Smithville

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OK, let's try this. (I'm not against science.) If I go to the doctor and get a knee replacement because I could not navigate well before that and then I can walk much better with the knee replacement, I consider that proof that the operation was a success. Soooo -- if a person stops stealing, let's say, because he believes GOD is telling him in the pages of the Bible not to steal, then what? It's the same with other areas of morality as written in the Bible.
Can you restate this? I must be missing something. What does surgery have to do with accepting science, theft and the Bible?
 

Subduction Zone

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OK, let's try this. (I'm not against science.) If I go to the doctor and get a knee replacement because I could not navigate well before that and then I can walk much better with the knee replacement, I consider that proof that the operation was a success. Soooo -- if a person stops stealing, let's say, because he believes GOD is telling him in the pages of the Bible not to steal, then what? It's the same with other areas of morality as written in the Bible.
Ah, so since the Bible says it is okay to buy a sex slave then that person that quit stealing could go and purchase one of those. Why didn't you tell me? Christianity here I come!
 

Dan From Smithville

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Why not, for modern humans?
If they don’t know...they can be taught, even to slight degrees.

Human intellectual capabilities far, far exceed any animal!

There’s part of the gulf. It’s a shame you don’t recognize it... it’s almost like you want to be an ape.
You take a lot of liberties with the near insults for someone claiming persecution.

We are apes. A completely scientific position. Unless someone wants to provide an argument and evidence demonstrates differently. So far, no one has. We should be in agreement then. At least from a science perspective.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Ah, so since the Bible says it is okay to buy a sex slave then that person that quit stealing could go and purchase one of those. Why didn't you tell me? Christianity here I come!
Careful. It sounds like a good idea, but you start making offers and get into all kinds of trouble. Do you know it is ok in the Bible, but it is against the law in the US. I don't get it. It's in the Bible.
 

Dan From Smithville

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It depends how one defines "monkey". It is not a well defined scientific term. If one uses cladistics and both Old and New World "monkeys" are monkeys than so are humans and all of the other apes.
Do you get the impression that is science that is understood by @Alone or the creationist crowd? I didn't see a reason to confuse them any further than they are, but your point is noted and appreciated.
 

Dan From Smithville

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It depends how one defines "monkey". It is not a well defined scientific term. If one uses cladistics and both Old and New World "monkeys" are monkeys than so are humans and all of the other apes.
It would be uplifting to learn that some of them were actually enticed to seek out scientific sources just to one up is on some of this. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
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I am sure you know that dating rocks, mountains, etc., rely on a number of assumptions.
Assumptions of Radiometric Dating
So, yes, they date things with certain assumptions as an a priori.
You can date the rocks, maybe..... but the mountains? No.

Many of the mountain ranges, for instance, are geologically young. It’s easy to see, with the extent of erosion — or lack of, I should say — they display: There are quite a few ranges, that obviously existed prior to the Flood....their peaks are eroded, and have rounded features, from wind and other elements.

But many ranges, for example the Himalayas, have sharp and well defined features despite the extreme elements they endure, thus revealing a young age, geologically speaking. Sharp and well-defined features wouldn’t be observed, if these ranges were millions of years old, given the amount of elemental forces they face.

(It’s easy to see this evidence.)

The current topography of these ranges occurred, IMO and others’, when the ‘vast underground springs broke open’ according to Genesis 7:11, part of geologic events that caused the Flood.


I think it’s not so much that these ranges were elevated, but rather, the Earth basically imploded slightly, from the “underground springs” emptying. This would agree with Psalm 104, particularly what a ground observer would notice, from their standpoint....that’s how Genesis 1 was written, as you are aware.


There’s so much we can learn from the Scriptures, regarding Jehovah’s actions!

Take care.
 

Dan From Smithville

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Ah, so since the Bible says it is okay to buy a sex slave then that person that quit stealing could go and purchase one of those. Why didn't you tell me? Christianity here I come!
Did you see that post by a creationist that asserted that Christians using the Bible were clueless? I was taken aback, considering the source.
 

Dan From Smithville

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You can date the rocks, maybe..... but the mountains? No.

Many of the mountain ranges, for instance, are geologically young. It’s easy to see, with the extent of erosion — or lack of, I should say — they display: There are quite a few ranges, that obviously existed prior to the Flood....their peaks are eroded, and have rounded features, from wind and other elements.

But many ranges, for example the Himalayas, have sharp and well defined features despite the extreme elements they endure, thus revealing a young age, geologically speaking. Sharp and well-defined features wouldn’t be observed, if these ranges were millions of years old, given the amount of elemental forces they face.

(It’s easy to see this evidence.)

The current topography of these ranges occurred, IMO and others’, when the ‘vast underground springs broke open’ according to Genesis 7:11, part of geologic events that caused the Flood.


I think it’s not so much that these ranges were elevated, but rather, the Earth basically imploded slightly, from the “underground springs” emptying. This would agree with Psalm 104, particularly what a ground observer would notice, from their standpoint....that’s how Genesis 1 was written, as you are aware.


There’s so much we can learn from the Scriptures, regarding Jehovah’s actions!

Take care.
You do recognize that most of this is your belief and has no scientific basis?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
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Explain why all the other evidence can be dismissed.
Lol. Seriously? You make it sound like there’s a lot!
Please.
All you’ve presented, are circumstantial evidences. Only inferences.

I’ve presented observable facts....human *capabilities* far exceed apes! Any animal.
I guess you don’t agree.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
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You take a lot of liberties with the near insults for someone claiming persecution.

We are apes. A completely scientific position. Unless someone wants to provide an argument and evidence demonstrates differently. So far, no one has. We should be in agreement then. At least from a science perspective.
A scientific position...from what? Observation and experience? Extremely little, actually.
From observation: “We look similar.”
From experience: nil.
 
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