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So What Happened To All The Changes, Tribulations, And Woe Jesus Had Promised?

Skwim

Veteran Member
The mental gymnastics fundamentalists like 3rdAngel go through to try to manipulate written scripture to be in accord with their beliefs is amazing indeed.

It's also very nonsensical. These folks believe the writings in the Bible are inspired by God. One would think that God's writings are very clear and accept them at face value. But, no. If they don't say what you want them to say, just twist and turn and hope no one notices.
The extremely poor construction of the Bible; its numerous contradictions, scientific mistakes, historical inconsistencies, acceptance of immoral conduct, cruelties, claims Inconsistent with the Laws of Nature, silly supernatural events, false claims about the structure of the physical world, and false prophecies all point to a mess I believe no decent god would be any part of. It just about yells, "Stay Away!"

Alas . . . . . . . . :shrug:

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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
The extremely poor construction of the Bible; its numerous contradictions, scientific mistakes, historical inconsistencies, acceptance of immoral conduct, cruelties, claims Inconsistent with the Laws of Nature, silly supernatural events, false claims about the structure of the physical world, and false prophecies all point to a mess I believe no decent god would be any part of. It just about yells, "Stay Away!"

Alas . . . . . . . . :shrug:.

Nothing you have posted above has any truth in it. You write these things because you seek to deny God and only read His Word in order to find fault in things you do not understand. Yet here you are in a religious forum because you have no peace in your life, telling people to stay away when you are still here, go figure o_O
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
Yes and foretold in the scriptures
I was asking Trailblazer because she wrote:
The Spirit of Christ did return at the end of the age and ushered in a new age in 1844.
From that, it appeared she did not consider Mohammed.

Bit since you addressed it, perhaps you can ask Trailblazer why she omitted Mohammed.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The natural man receives not not the things of receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness and again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Some things are too hard to understand according to the scriptures of the fool that says in his heart there is no God *Psalms 14:1
When you can't formulate a rational response, quote scripture.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise

Yeah. Your God really has a thing about His creations learning and having knowledge. He made that very clear from the onset when he tricked adam&Eve and then punished the rest of us.

There is biblical history pertaining to the bible which was the discussion and context to what we were talking about and history written outside of the bible although the one outside of the bible can be biased based on the writter of that history written or re-written by people with agendas.

That's a really funny comment. You accuse historians of being biased. You blindly accept the bias of people writing religious stories to push their beliefs on the masses.

I read history, science, good and evil in context to the bible not outside of it.

That is obvious. The fact that you refer to "good and evil" in a conversation about history is also very telling. "Good and Evil", God and Satan, Black and White. Life is a lot more complex than that. However, I do understand the appeal of such childlike simplicity.

You do otherwise because your trying to understand things you do not know about.

What's wrong with trying to understand things one does not know about. If one does not pursue things one does not know about, one remains ignorant - like your God wanted. One thing I learned very early on is the difference between "your" and "you're".



The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

That is the kind of thing that would be written in scripture by men who wanted to keep the ignorant sheeples ignorant. If the sheeples got some wisdom, they might begin to question why a God would want them to remain ignorant.





According to the scriptures all your preaching is vanity and foolishness. Trying to claim that you have all the answers but you do not because you have closed your eyes and ears to talk about things you know nothing about.

I don't claim to have all the answers. But I do know I'd rather continue to learn rather than continue to remain ignorant.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Yeah. Your God really has a thing about His creations learning and having knowledge. He made that very clear from the onset when he tricked adam&Eve and then punished the rest of us.



That's a really funny comment. You accuse historians of being biased. You blindly accept the bias of people writing religious stories to push their beliefs on the masses.



That is obvious. The fact that you refer to "good and evil" in a conversation about history is also very telling. "Good and Evil", God and Satan, Black and White. Life is a lot more complex than that. However, I do understand the appeal of such childlike simplicity.



What's wrong with trying to understand things one does not know about. If one does not pursue things one does not know about, one remains ignorant - like your God wanted. One thing I learned very early on is the difference between "your" and "you're".





That is the kind of thing that would be written in scripture by men who wanted to keep the ignorant sheeples ignorant. If the sheeples got some wisdom, they might begin to question why a God would want them to remain ignorant.







I don't claim to have all the answers. But I do know I'd rather continue to learn rather than continue to remain ignorant.

Yaaawwwnzzz....:) Some are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth *2 Timothy 3:7 because they profess themselves wise only to become fools *Romans 1:22 According to the scriptures the fool says in his heart there is no God *Psalms 14:1. So who are you to say there is no God?
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
Nothing you have posted above has any truth in it. You write these things because you seek to deny God and only read His Word in order to find fault in things you do not understand. Yet here you are in a religious forum because you have no peace in your life, telling people to stay away when you are still here, go figure o_O
Glad you asked. ;)


Contradictions

Gen 1: 11, 26 W (When god made fruit trees)

(Before he made Adam)
11 Then God said, “Let the earth grow grass, plants that make grain, and fruit trees. The fruit trees will make fruit with seeds in it.
26 Then God said, “Now let’s make humans who will be like us.

(After he made Adam)
Gen 2: 7-8
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East,[c] in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden. 9 Then the Lord God caused all the beautiful trees that were good for food to grow in the garden.​


Scientific Mistakes


Leviticus 11:6
And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
(Hares don't produce cud to chew)


Leviticus 11:13-19
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, . . .
. . .19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
(bats are not birds)​


Historical inconsistencies


When was Jesus born? According to Luke, it was during the reign of the Roman governor Quirinius, during a census ordered by Augustus throughout the whole world. According to both Luke and Matthew it was also during the reign of king Herod "the Great." The problem is that Herod died in 4 B.C.E., and this was fully ten years before Quirinius' census. Furthermore, during Herod's reign, no Roman census could have been held in his territory, which included both Judaea and Galilee, the locations of both Bethlehem and Nazareth. Herod would have collected his own taxes, and given tribute to the Romans. Lastly, the existence of a census throughout the whole empire is contrary to the practice of the Romans, who collected taxes province by province, often subcontracting the process to "publicans."​


Acceptance of immoral conduct

Slavery was accepted by god. He even gave rules for owning slaves.

Genesis 17:12
When the baby boy is eight days old, you will circumcise him. Every boy born among your people and every boy who is a slave of your people must be circumcised.

Genesis 21:12
But God said to Abraham, “Don’t worry about the boy and the slave woman. Do what Sarah wants. Your descendants will be those who come through Isaac.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.​


Cruelties

Genesis 3:16-23; Romans 5:18
He damned the whole human race and cursed the entire creation because of the acts of two people

Genesis 7:20-23
He drowned pregnant women and innocent children and animals at the time of the Flood ;

Exodus 9:8-11,25
he tormented the Egyptians and their animals with hail and disease because pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt.

Exodus 12:29-30
He killed Egyptian babies at the time of the Passover.​


Claims Inconsistent with the Laws of Nature


Joshua 10: 13-14
13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,

as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

Exodus 14:21-22
21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.​


Silly supernatural events


Genesis 3:4-5
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Numbers 22:28
28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ***, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?​


False claims about the structure of the physical world

Genesis 1:7
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.​


False prophesies


Isaiah 17:1-2
17 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
(Damascus is one of the oldest cities in the world and is still going strong.)​





Now you can whine all you want that these are not as I claim. I don't care. I won't be listening. :p I've posted them so others here can judge for themselves the childish, self serving objective of your post. :)



Have a good day.


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TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I was asking Trailblazer because she wrote:
The Spirit of Christ did return at the end of the age and ushered in a new age in 1844.
From that, it appeared she did not consider Mohammed.

Bit since you addressed it, perhaps you can ask Trailblazer why she omitted Mohammed.

For a Baha'i it is not an omission, it is always an inclusion, Names are not a barrier to what is the Spirit.

Jesus Christ is all the Messengers and so is Muhammad.

It is not the flesh we talk about, jesus said the flesh amounts to nothing.

Regards Tony
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And here we have another interpretation of the same God-inspired scripture. If it is God-inspired and since it is so vague, it is another example of God not doing a very good job.
This is not God doing a bad job job. God cannot do a bad job because God is All-Knowing, All-Wise, and Infallible...
The various interpretations are fallible humans not doing a very good job.

Firstly, the God-inspired scripture was written by fallible men...
Secondly, fallible men then interpreted that scripture in every which way. Although orthodox Christianity settled upon some basic doctrines at the Council of Nicaea, Christians have never agreed about the second coming. Most of them believe it will be "the same man Jesus" but they all have different beliefs about when, what has to happen first, and what will happen after Jesus drops down out of the clouds.

Baha'is of course have a completely different interpretation, as we believe that the same man Jesus never promised to return to earth but rather Jesus said He would send His Spirit, the Comforter and the Spirit of Truth, which would appear in the form of another man.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If you are saying Ballulah is the returning Spirit of Christ then wasn't Mohammed also a returning Spirit of Christ?
Muhammad was the return of the Christ Spirit and He was a Comforter, but Baha'u'llah was "the Comforter" and the "Spirit of Truth" designated by Jesus in John 14, 15, and 16.

About six months ago I got in a discussion with a Christian about the Comforter and we discussed it in brief, but since it was off topic for that thread I asked him if he wanted to discuss it more in which case I would start a new thread. He said he wanted to discuss it more but I did not have time to post it back then and now he has been away from the forum for several months, so I did not feel comfortable posting it. I wrote up the post and I will probably post it eventually, I just wanted the timing to be right so I would have time to answer posts. I can post it if you want to see it but it might have to wait until the Christmas/New years holiday since I have two weeks off work.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Why do you think are you right and the other Christians are wrong?
Because I believe that Baha'u'llah was the return of the Christ Spirit, and I have evidence, since Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the prophecies for the return of Christ promised in the NT and He also fulfilled all the prophecies for the promised Messiah of the OT.

The upshot is that the Baha'is have a real person who came, but all the Christians have is a hope that someday the same Jesus will return. Of course that is impossible because physical bodies do not ascend into the clouds to heaven and then return from heaven on the clouds over 2000 years later. Physical bodies do not exist in heaven, only spiritual bodies exist in heaven, but spiritual bodies never return to earth.

This gets kind of complicated but I explained it in more detail in my thread entitled "Was Baha’u’llah the Comforter?"
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Contradictions Gen 1: 11, 26
(When god made fruit trees)
(Before he made Adam)
11 Then God said, “Let the earth grow grass, plants that make grain, and fruit trees. The fruit trees will make fruit with seeds in it.
26 Then God said, “Now let’s make humans who will be like us.

(After he made Adam)
Gen 2: 7-8
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East,[c] in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden. 9 Then the Lord God caused all the beautiful trees that were good for food to grow in the garden.​
Since you insist... There is no contractions only your lack of understanding of the scriptures. Your leaving out context again trying to give an interpretation that they do not have. Genesis 2 is talking about the end of creation and the generations of the heaven and earth not re-creation and why and what also happened in addition to what was written before. Add the context back. Continuing on from GENESIS chapter 1...

After the creation event in Genesis 1...

Genesis 2:1-4,​
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Continuing....

4, These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth WHEN THEY WERE CREATED, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Additional information of how God grew the grass Genesis 1:11...

5, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6, But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Additional information of how man was created Genesis 1:26...

7, And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Additional information, after God made all the plants and trees and man Genesis 1:11-12; 26...

8, And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9, And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10, And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it was parted, and became into four heads
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Context matters...

Your welcome :)
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Scientific Mistakes
Leviticus 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. (Hares don't produce cud to chew)

Leviticus 11:13-19 13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, . . . . .19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. (bats are not birds)

There was no scientific mistake. The definition of chewing the cud was not made until after the 1800's.

To "chew the cud" simply meant at the time it was written in the Bible "to rechew food that had been previously digested" and not necessarily "to rechew regurgitated food."

Rabbits actually chew the cud in a different way. Here's a scientific explaination:

"Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material, cecotrophs are about half that size, occur in moist bundles stuck together with mucus, and are very fine textured and odiferous. They are seldom seen, as the rabbit plucks them directly from the anus as they are passed and swallows them whole."

Bacterial Digestion of Cellulose Within Animals - Vertebrates lack enzymes to digest plant material. Some bacteria can do so and are harbored by animals... Rats and rabbits redigest cellulose another way. [They] eat feces and literally redigest them a second time. Efficiency approaches that of ruminants.

In a more detailed version, Margert "Casey" Kilcullen-Steiner, (M.S., L.A.Tg) in The Experimental Animal in Biomedical Research: Care, Husbandry writes:

Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material, cecotrophs are about half that size, occur in moist bundles stuck together with mucus, and are very fine textured and odiferous. They are seldom seen, as the rabbit plucks them directly from the anus as they are passed and swallows them whole. Normal rabbits do not allow cecotrophs to drop to the floor or ground, and their presence there indicates a mechanical problem or illness in the rabbit.

And Janet Tast, D.V.M. notes:
http://www.ultranet.com/~hrs/artcl03.htm

Cecotrophy by Janet Tast, D.V.M. "Cecotropy is the process by which rabbits will reingest part of their feces directly from the rectum. This should not be confused with the term coprophagy (eating fecal material) since rabbits only ingest the soft "night" feces or cecotrophs."

Caryl Hilscher-Conklin (M.S. in Biology, University of Notre Dame) also makes this claim:
Rat & Mouse Gazette: Coprophagy: Rattus Biologicus: Healthy Behavior For Your Rats

"One may not give much thought to the lazy chewing of the cud that we observe cows doing all the time, but this behavior is analogous to coprophagy. The only difference between cud chewing and coprophagy is the point in the digestive tract at which nutrients are expelled and then placed back into the mouth."

Now, we must also remember that artiodactyls were first defined as a separate order in 1847 by Richard Owen and the behavior of cecotropy was first recognized in 1882. Deuteronomy, however, was written approximately 1500 BC in an ancient Hebrew. It would be intellectually dishonest for someone to claim that a 3500 year old writing is contradictory because it doesn't match with a scientific classification invented only about a hundred years ago. Further, if the ancient Hebrews defined 'cud-chewing" as that process where half digested vegetation was re-chewed by an animal for easier re-digestion ( and that is a very specific and scientific definition), I would say the hare fits here fine.

Whenever someone translates an ancient language or writing, some word for word parallels are not going to be available. Most scholars understand this and accept the cultural backgrounds and meanings for what they are. This is why hermeneutics is a serious field of study in higher education.

Yep gotta love science proving the bible though...

Your welcome :)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Historical inconsistencies
When was Jesus born? According to Luke, it was during the reign of the Roman governor Quirinius, during a census ordered by Augustus throughout the whole world. According to both Luke and Matthew it was also during the reign of king Herod "the Great." The problem is that Herod died in 4 B.C.E., and this was fully ten years before Quirinius' census. Furthermore, during Herod's reign, no Roman census could have been held in his territory, which included both Judaea and Galilee, the locations of both Bethlehem and Nazareth. Herod would have collected his own taxes, and given tribute to the Romans. Lastly, the existence of a census throughout the whole empire is contrary to the practice of the Romans, who collected taxes province by province, often subcontracting the process to "publicans."

Seems your a little confused here! It does not say anywhere in the scriptures of Luke that the birth of JESUS was in the reign of the Roman governor Quirinius, during a census ordered by Augustus.

Now we can stop here because your whole premise is that the bible says in Luke that JESUS was born during the reign of Roman governor Quirinius but it does not. This is you trying to read into the scriptures something that it does not say so this is where the rest your post falls down.

Now lets look at the context you have left out again. Elizebeth was pregnant with John the Baptist and Mary with Jesus at the same time as Mary went to visit Elizabeth who was her cousin when they were both pregnant *Luke 1:39-42. Now pay attention to the scripture you are ignoring. Luke 1:5, THERE WAS IN THE DAYS OF HEROD THE KING OF JUDEA, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

This was the time that Elizabeth was pregnant as announced to the priest Zecharias by the Angel *Luke 1:6-15, the same time as JESUS in the reign of King Herod.

Yep gotta love bible history proving the bible

Your welcome :)
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Acceptance of immoral conduct

Slavery was accepted by god. He even gave rules for owning slaves.

Genesis 17:12
When the baby boy is eight days old, you will circumcise him. Every boy born among your people and every boy who is a slave of your people must be circumcised.

Genesis 21:12
But God said to Abraham, “Don’t worry about the boy and the slave woman. Do what Sarah wants. Your descendants will be those who come through Isaac.

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Your confused claiming to judge God and know the mind of God when you do not. Slavery happened in the Old Testament but was never God's purpose for mankind. It was a result of mankind work on mankind. Sometimes as a result of the spoils of war, sometimes of the result of people selling themselves to pay off dept and poverty to stay alive and have somewhere to eat and live. God does not support slavery Gods Word however historically records slavery which was a man made invention. There is also a difference between slavery (works for food and shelter) and being a servent (paid worker). God does not accept immoral conduct. All those who practice it and reject the gift of God's dear son will be destroyed at the second coming *Romans 6:23
Cruelties

Genesis 3:16-23; Romans 5:18 He damned the whole human race and cursed the entire creation because of the acts of two people

Genesis 7:20-23 He drowned pregnant women and innocent children and animals at the time of the Flood ;

Exodus 9:8-11,25 he tormented the Egyptians and their animals with hail and disease because pharaoh refused to let the Israelites leave Egypt.

Exodus 12:29-30 He killed Egyptian babies at the time of the Passover.

Not really your leaving out context again. It was because of God's mercy that he put an end to cruelties of all those who were practicing cruelty in the time of the flood because they were practicing evil and cruelty against each other...

Genesis 6:5-7
5, And GOD SAW THAT THE WICKEDNESS OF MAN WAS GREAT IN THE EARTH, AND THAT EVERY IMAGINATION OF HIS HEART WAS ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them.

God WARNED the Egyptians to let his people go *Exodus 4-14 . They did not listen and did not obey God's Word. Nothing has changed today. God is warning all mankind because he is not willing that anyone should perish but that all should come to repentance and be saved *2 Peter 3:9-13. Those who do not listen to God's warnings today, just like the Egyptians of yesterday will reap the consequnces of their own actions. God is not willing that any should perish and is a God of mercy to all those who believe and follow his Word.

Yep gotta love a God of mercy :)

Claims Inconsistent with the Laws of Nature

Joshua 10: 13-14 13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

Exodus 14:21-22 21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. 22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

God is outside of the laws of nature being the creator of it *GENESIS 1 and GENESIS 2.

Silly supernatural events

Genesis 3:4-5 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Numbers 22:28 28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ***, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

"DITTO" God is outside of the laws of nature being the creator of it *GENESIS 1 and GENESIS 2.

False claims about the structure of the physical world

Genesis 1:7 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

I see you claim to be there when the world was made. o_O Your claims hold no bounds and are only your words denying God's.

False prophesies

Isaiah 17:1-2 17 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. (Damascus is one of the oldest cities in the world and is still going strong.)

“Isaiah 17 predicted the destruction of the city, along with the destruction of the northern kingdom of Israel… Damascus was captured by Assyrians in 732 BC and the northern kingdom of Israel fell when the capital city of Samaria was captured by the Assyrians in 722 BC.”

And 100 years later, the prophet Jeremiah also predicted the fall of Damascus, which had been rebuilt, he added. “His message was fulfilled when the city was captured by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.”

The scriptures in Isaiah 17 never says that the city would not be rebuilt.

Yep gotta love history proving bible prophecy

Your welcome :)
 
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3rdAngel

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Now you can whine all you want that these are not as I claim. I don't care. I won't be listening.
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I've posted them so others here can judge for themselves the childish, self serving objective of your post.
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Have a good day..

On the contrary, I thank you for providing the opportunity to prove God's Word correct. I am enjoying our discussion and hope you are too. I hope this has been helpful. Your welcome :)
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
Here we see another excellent example of the mindset of fundamentalists. They believe the Bible is History and they need look nowhere else.

It shows a desperate need for everything to be simplistic.

Science? Read the Bible.
History? Read the Bible.
There is white and there is black.
There is good and there is evil.
-Simple-


However, the real world is far more complex and complicated.

They drive people away from Christianity. Fundamentalists are a real negative.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
There is biblical history pertaining to the bible which was the discussion and context to what we were talking about and history written outside of the bible although the one outside of the bible can be biased based on the writter of that history written or re-written by people with agendas. I read history, science, good and evil in context to the bible not outside of it. You do otherwise because your trying to understand things you do not know about. According to the scriptures the fool says in his heart there is no God. The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness and again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. According to the scriptures all your preaching is vanity and foolishness. Trying to claim that you have all the answers but you do not because you have closed your eyes and ears to talk about things you know nothing about.

You have to embrace ignorance and reject education to be a fundamentalist.
 
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