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Healthcare is a legalized scam.
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British people guess how much US healthcare costs.
- Thread starter Father Heathen
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Healthcare is a legalized scam.
Wait, seriously? To use a medical emergency service?????
Why bother paying your taxes if emergency services aren’t “free?”
Also at the risk of inciting mod anger may I post this clip, which succinctly sums up my thoughts on the US “health care” system.
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This was by helicopter and the lowest that I've seen charged. Highest I've heard of was $50,000.
The total bill for accident was around $140k, he's a 75 year old man. I believe he won't have it paid off before he's dead.
Geez!
Father Heathen
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The Brits don't appear to envy or desire our supposedly superior privatized system vs. theirs. What do you make of this?
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amorphous_constellation
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People wonder why we're religious here, it's largely because society doesn't give us a good net for downfall. Therefore, we trust in the gods, in forces we can't see. Largely, we retain the ethos of the dark ages in some ways, and in many cases the lifestyle. Any gold I have gathered could be here today and gone tomorrow, I trust superstitiously in the better winds of fate to avoid a storm. I feel spooked even talking about this, but I humbly only want to tell you the truth
Cooky
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The hospital will eat the cost.
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They'll get paid through his land I assume. He has 50 acres and that can be liquidated.
Cooky
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I think only the IRS can do that in regards to private property as far as I know... I mean aside from mortgage lenders.
...I'm pretty sure private creditors don't have that legal option when collecting debts -They just lose.
amorphous_constellation
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Cooky
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I just wish people like this would have family that would help them. The fact that she probably does [Edit: she does have two older children not helping], means that her family has a lot of room for growth as far as compassion.
How unfortunate that it has come to this for so many, because if she just had a residence and people to give her a little help, she could probably get her social security benefits.
...Who could let their own mother live on the streets? As sick as she is... Yet she is so loving, she defends them.
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Augustus
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National Insurance isn't an 'NHS tax', it's really about benefits, pensions, etc, and it is significantly less than 12% of earnings. If you earned 30k it would be closer to 7%, 60k would be around 8.5% (although there are employer contributions too).
NHS is mostly paid for out of general taxation revenue and its budget is less than total NI revenue.
Augustus
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The prices are so high because your government has decided to make you pay far more than everyone else for things like medicines (could be up to 10 times the cost for the same meds overseas).
You also pay the average doctor lots more, and medical practitioners pay far more in insurances because of your compensation culture and ludicrous payouts.
And that's before the profiteering and systemic overtreatment is taken into account.
You need to brush up on NI if you are going to make sweeping statements about it,
Sure its not all going to the NHS but it is 12% of earnings.
Check the uk government website if you dont believe me
National Insurance
HonestJoe
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Right back at you.
As your own links make perfectly clear, you pay nothing on the first £166 pw, 12% on anything between £166 and £962 pw and 2% on anything over that.
If I earn £500 pw, I pay nothing on the first $166 and 12% on the remaining £334, which would be around £40. £40 is around 8% of my £500.
Nobody pays 12% of their total income in National Insurance.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Actually, it's not the governmemt, it's big pharma.
Right back at you.
As your own links make perfectly clear, you pay nothing on the first £166 pw, 12% on anything between £166 and £962 pw and 2% on anything over that.
If I earn £500 pw, I pay nothing on the first $166 and 12% on the remaining £334, which would be around £40. £40 is around 8% of my £500.
Nobody pays 12% of their total income in National Insurance.
As i stated in a previous post, thanks
HonestJoe
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But you also said "it is 12% of earnings", which isn't true. You just seem to want a simple statement to make it sound worse than it is.
I am stating fact
The government website states
Your pay Class 1 National Insurance rate
£166 to £962 a week (£719 to £4,167 a month) 12%
Over £962 a week (£4,167 a month) 2%
There are exceptions, which i also mentioned in a previous post