Cooky
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You're right. I see your point now.
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Against abortion or assisted dying? No med school for you
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
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You're right. I see your point now.
If you are in pain, then sure. What’s the issue? If you’re an addict the doctor might not be inclined to give you a scribble. I dunno. Maybe with public health care doctors are just not in the mood to argue with patients lol
If I have a severe back problem and I know for a fact that the only pain killer that helps me specifically is something with morphine rather than whatever else, I can absolutely go to my GP and be like “please give me morphine because of this.” A doctor is there to treat me, not be a dictator. We can absolutely discuss which course is the best action for me to take and obviously I will lean on his/her expertise. But I am not bound to just do whatever my doctor tells me: I can even shop around for a doctor who will prescribe something else, if that is my genuine wish. Just because my father’s doctor advised him to get chemo, doesn’t mean he was obliged to get chemo. He could have just as easily asked to get radiation therapy instead. Like don’t be so afraid of doctors. They’re there to help, after all and do what’s best for you and you absolutely should have a say in that. It is your health, after all.
Of course in a hospital situation, that may differ. Ours is based on prioritising the worst cases. So if I were in a hospital getting treatment, I probably wouldn’t be inclined to discuss things rationally and just accept whatever drug I’m getting.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That's the wonderful thing about it. You can't just demand a treatment. There has to be a cause for it, and the risks must be weighed against the benefits. Such as with euthanasia. You can't just get it, and that should never change. There should be a process for it, there should be barriers in order to obtain it, and it should be an available option for those who literally only have terrible suffering that will worsen left to look forward to. It is their life, it is their care, it is their treatment, and it should be their choice, not the choice of politicians, not those with a religious agenda, and certainly not the masses who don't know the Hippocratic Oath--as commonly perceived--isn't actually a thing. It should strictly and exclusively be between doctor and patient. Everyone else needs to bugger off, off a cliff if necessary. And a doctor must be willing to set aside their personal emotions and beliefs in order to treat their patients. Extending life just isn't always the best option for many patients, as decided by the patient.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
They pretty much are starting to become dictators when it comes to opiates. I can only handle mild opiates, and for all the legit pain I have in my knee I can't even get a refill of tylenol 3 after surgery.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Then you must be able to justify why that should be, why someone who is better off should actually care about helping those less fortunate, because there does come a time when it is incredibly unlikely it will actually help them as individuals.
Geez. I mean asking for opiates here might cause a background check here. But I remember getting opiates a few years ago without any trouble and I’m still just a young punk kid
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Yeah. Me, 30s, four surgeries to my left knee at that point, life long history of chronic knee pain and chronic, life long knee problems, and after the fourth surgery I get about two weeks of tylenol with a splash of codeine and no more.
Preaching to the choir: 40, Lumbar arthritis from a previous disc reduction surgery in 2011. I get Tramadol if I'm lucky. Usually, Flexerall and Motrin
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
What I don't get, I turn down tramadol because I don't want something you're supposed to take every day, and have to refuse anything that is much more than tramadol because I get really sick (nausea at best). And despite that, despite my efforts into keeping my muscles strong as a first and primary resort for pain management, I can't get something that is just a little more extra umph than what I can get OTC for really bad days. So it's extra doses and extra pills of advil for me.
Every once in a while, I have to go in for a shot of Toredol just to stand up straight. Occasionally they'll give me Cortisone which helps for a week or so.
Personally, I'd be content not to need drugs and/or constant physical therapy just to walk.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It depends. If you are judged to qualify for hospice it is easy to get morphine. I hope that is not the case. When my mother was on hospice we had morphine that we could dose her with as needed in the house. But here is the number one qualifier for hospice:
"Patient has been diagnosed with a life-limiting condition with a prognosis of six months or less if their disease runs its normal course"
You don't have to qualify for all of these, but you need enough to convince a doctor:
Hospice Eligibility Criteria & Requirements: Crossroads
Shad
Veteran Member
Illegal immigrants. ICE can not touch legal immigrants that follow the law. Besides rich and skilled immigrants are fast tracked in legal immigration as they benefit the nation due to wealth and/or skill sets. Poor immigrants are not as they lack skills sets and wealth to take care of themselves thus have a greater chance of becoming a burden.
This is how Canada handles immigration too.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Meanwhile I have had opiates only once in my life. When I was attending university I broke three bones in my left foot and dislocated a fourth. I got the first ride in the back of a police car in my life (I had a second one, under strangely similar circumstances). I saw the X-ray, it was not pretty. One broken metatarsal was lined up with the broken end of another. They gave me the option of surgery or setting it right then and there. I opted for them setting it. So they gave me a nice cocktail of Valium and Demerol intravenously. Amazing stuff. They warned me when they were going to set it, but I was just fine. I told them I could feel the bones move but there was no pain.
Further, legal immigrants have one thing that makes ICE turn around and leave them alone: a resident alien card.
Shad
Veteran Member
That is not what she said. There are regulations and check lists people must pass in order for the doctor and government to determine the desire to end their life is not due to a cause like depression or just of the moment thought. This protect the patient from themselves in the case of suicidal thoughts caused by other issue, the doctor from ethical issues and the government from liability.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yah as they are legal immigrants. What is the problem understanding this? ICE goes after illegal immigrants as they have no legal standing to be in the USA. A legal immigrant has a legal status. This isn't rocket surgery....
I'm not disagreeing with or misunderstanding you.
Shad
Veteran Member
My issue was how you phrased interaction with ICE and legal immigrants. Having residency is on a database thus ICE wouldn't go after someone with valid resident status unless ICE screwed up.
Whoa!!
I had a chest infection last year. Real bad one, like almost pneumonia. Doc immediately gave me these strong as hell pain meds to help me sleep. Pretty sure it was opioid based and the pharmacy had it under lock and key so it was no joke lol
Hehe he told me to make sure I ate before taking them because they were supposed to knock me out.
Forgot to eat lunch one day and took the meds, so quickly got some soup. Sat there stoned off my head, staring at my lunch and laughing at nothing lmao!
JesusKnowsYou
Active Member
I believe that these cases support my position that there should always be privatized healthcare options.
I don't believe the government has any right to determine who can and who cannot become a healthcare practitioner.
I would also argue that abortion is never a "need" unless the patients life is somehow threatened by the unborn child.
Any other scenario is a "want" not a "need".