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Should Police Officers be allowed to carry guns?

Cooky

Cooky

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dybmh said:
"Should Officers be allowed to carry guns?"

Yes, but I also think that each officer's uniform should be outfitted with 7-8 little webcams. two on the hat ( facing front and back ), two on each shoulder ( facing front and back ), and maybe one on the chest or waist, and one on the back somewhere.

Not only would it help prevent illegal/unnecessary use of force, but it will also allow for more safety, support, and over-watch from a supervisor's vehicle.
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I would also like officer uniforms to resemble that of the swiss guard. I think that would lighten things up a bit. :)

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shmogie

shmogie

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Stanyon said:
What about the civilians? Just tell them to hope the police get there in time I guess.

I am sure that there are many police officers that would be more than happy to stop a crime in progress but the sad reality is that for the most part they are there to pick up the pieces afterwards.
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The police are essentially reactive, after something happens, they are notified.

If, by pure chance, they are in the right place at the right time, they can play a preventive role.

According to the National Crime Prevention Center, 99% of so called mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in traditional, or by designation, gun free zones.

Maybe the cops should just hang out in these zones to stop these kinds of shootings.
 
shmogie

shmogie

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PureX said:
The problem for the U.S., though, is that there are already a trillion guns out there, and no one really knows where they all are. So it really is a bit like the "old west" in some places and instances.

The solution for us, now, cannot possibly be a ban on guns as there are just too many of them, it'll have to be a long-term institution of real and effective ownership and use licensing and regulation, with real and effective 'teeth' to bite down hard on those who will inevitably try to ignore the laws.
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The NRA for decades has been calling for increased penalties for crimes where a firearm is used, and strict enforcement of existing gun laws. Neither has occurred.
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
shmogie said:
The police are essentially reactive, after something happens, they are notified.

If, by pure chance, they are in the right place at the right time, they can play a preventive role.

According to the National Crime Prevention Center, 99% of so called mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in traditional, or by designation, gun free zones.

Maybe the cops should just hang out in these zones to stop these kinds of shootings.
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Not sure if you remember Roseburg Oregon? it's a local story for me. Roseburg is a pro-gun community. If I remember there were several students who were there and armed with concealed carry licences. They never drew their weapons and the fact that they were armed didn't change the outcome one bit.

Armed civilians are not any help at all.
 
julianalexander745

julianalexander745

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Landon Caeli said:
Brennan received the death penalty for that, and rightfully so. Just after apologizing to the then 22 yr. old officers parents, wife and young children.

I thought it was very sad and chilling, considering the perp was only pulled over for speeding... What a monster.
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It is a tragic story.

But I have to say that my emotional propensity for altercations like this have tended to err on the side of guys like Brennan.

I think police officers make an active decision to engage in an inherently obnoxious field of work and, for the most part, they are held to a dreadfully low standard and society suffers horribly as a result of this low standard. It's everything from arguably unnecessary shootings to adversarial, poorly written fact sheets that usually have the effect of ruining people's lives and the lives of those around them.

Stories of police heroics on the other hand are greatly overstated.

Call me a sicko, but that video was a lot of fun to watch. Blowing that 22 year old cop's brains out might've improved the world in ways we'll never know.
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
shmogie said:
The NRA for decades has been calling for increased penalties for crimes where a firearm is used, and strict enforcement of existing gun laws. Neither has occurred.
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I'd like to read more about this if possible. I'll look it up, but if you can give me a head-start, I would appreciate it.
 
Cooky

Cooky

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julianalexander745 said:
It is a tragic story.

But I have to say that my emotional propensity for altercations like this have tended to err on the side of guys like Brennan.

I think police officers make an active decision to engage in an inherently obnoxious field of work and, for the most part, they are held to a dreadfully low standard and society suffers horribly as a result of this low standard. It's everything from arguably unnecessary shootings to adversarial, poorly written fact sheets that usually have the effect of ruining people's lives and the lives of those around them.

Stories of police heroics on the other hand are greatly overstated.

Call me a sicko, but that video was a lot of fun to watch. Blowing that 22 year old cop's brains out might've improved the world in ways we'll never know.
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Yikes.
 
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shmogie

shmogie

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George-ananda said:
Well what does usually stop an active shooter? It seems to me that police are the most likely.
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It depends upon where the shooter is. In a school, or other so called gun free zone, there is no one who can engage till the police arrive.

In the state of Arizona, where I live, where any citizen over 21 with no felony arrest record can carry a firearm open or concealed with the Constitution as a permit and license, the crooks are extremely cautious in their activities. They can get blown away or captured before the police arrive.
 
Cooky

Cooky

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Taking a person's life is the worst, most selfish thing one can do. Especially for no good reason...

That officer did nothing wrong to deserve that.
 
julianalexander745

julianalexander745

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Landon Caeli said:
Taking a person's life is the worst, most selfish thing one can do. Especially for no good reason...

That officer did nothing wrong to deserve that.
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Yeah I suppose I agree.

There's no logic, reason or rationale behind what I posted; I just feel, on an emotional level, that an overabundance of police incompetence has resulted in an unacceptable amount of human suffering in a civilization which should be free from it.
 
shmogie

shmogie

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Stanyon said:
What is this "easy access"?
A person convicted of a felony or a person that has been adjudicated as insane in a court of law are barred from legally purchasing, owning, and in most if not all cases barred from living in a house that has firearms in it. There are multiple felonies one has to commit to get a firearm if they are legally barred from it.
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They do have access via the ILLEGAL firearms black market. Another case of laws that have no effect on those who simply ignore them.

Semi automatic weapons ? Most firearms purchased in the US are semi automatic. A double action revolver can fire six rounds as fast as a semi auto.

I don't see single shots making a big comeback.
 
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