Should women remain silent in the churches?

adrian009 said:

Thank you for your considered response.

I would consider the law Paul alludes is law given to Moses by Yahweh. Woman are not accorded the same rights and privileges as men in public life and were subjugated to men. The reality of Roman society was unlikely to suggested this was the time to change.

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The role and status of women including within the church has shifted profoundly since the nineteenth century. Perhaps a landmark event was WW1 where women needed to work as so many men went to war.

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101G said:

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. second, I read the chapter, and it's husband and wife in vers 34-40

but it's everyone not to speak in church when you are out of order, let's see it.
1 Corinthians 14:20 "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men."
the word "men" here is not as in male but being MATURE, it's the Greek word, G5046 τέλειος teleios (te'-lei-os) adj. which means complete. don't act like children, for this is God Holy Word, handling it careless.

1 Corinthians 14:21 "In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.". (here the use of other tongues, and the unknow tongue of God. bottom line one without knowledge or understanding needs a translators).

1 Corinthians 14:22 "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
(here is where your "completeness" come in at, talk with God, and then you can talk to men in any language. other words "GROW UP".

1 Corinthians 14:23 "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?"
1 Corinthians 14:24 "But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:"
1 Corinthians 14:25 "And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth."
(now my point, say the same thing, first at home and then at church,... meaning altogether, for charity/God begans at home and then is spreaded abroad, one to another. for it is the Love of the word of God/the Gospel, that pierce the heart of the none believer in any language).

1 Corinthians 14:26 "How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying."
(again, say the same thing)

1 Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret."
(the term "MAN" here is not speaking of any male(s), but to everyone who might get up to speak, for "MAN" here is the Greek term, G5100 τίς tis (tiys') p:i. which means some or any person or object.
some meaning those who are speaking or teaching ect.... NOW HERE COME THE REVELATION IN THE VERY NEXT VERSRE.

1 Corinthians 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."
(STOP, HOLD THE PRESS, let "him" keep silence in the church? the him here refers back to , "any MAN" in verse 27. sound just like verse 34 don't it. now where is the CRY FOR MEN/MALES ALSO TO BE "SILENT IN THE CHURCH?". well, you want women to be silence in the church, well here the apostle got all of us, males and females. see how ignorant it sounds when one ignorantly runs with women to keep silence in the church. well it goes for all, YOU TOO MR. MALE.) if you don't know the word of God, "all of you, male and female keep silence in the church.

1 Corinthians 14:29 "Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge."
(afterward the apostle goes after the Married, especially when it's the responsibility of the husband to teach his wife FIRST at home. for they are ONE, and should speak the same thing.

so NO, it's not just women/wives who are to keep silence in the church, it's "ANY and EVERYONE who is ignorant of God's Holy Words needs to keep silence in the church.

you didn't see that coming did you. yes, read, but READ the word of God, for the apostle sums it up beautifully, 1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."
and "man" here with any is,
G1536 εἰ τίς ei tis (ei tiys') cond.
if any.

that just got you too oh ignorant "male" or "female"..

PICJAG.

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moorea944 said:

It's not sexist at all.

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Milton Platt said:

Men and women were not equal in ancient Jewish culture. Was it wrong? Yes. Just another strike against "divine inspiration".

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101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second that makes no sense. in 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." here, the apostle is not even speak to any woman nor women in the churches. he was speaking to husbands of women who are their wives. he said "Let YOUR women". . he was speaking to men/husband, as was in 1 Timothy 2:12. this is a husband and wife setting, not a brother, in general or sister setting.
what the apostle was saying, if you "husbands" who know and understand the word of God, then teach your wives the same. and if not, verse 38 tells it all.1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." if the husband is igorant of God word so will be the wife who don't know. that's why one need to learn at home, (1 Timothy 2:12), before one come to church and cause confusion, by not saying the same thing. for God is not the author of confusion.

so this is not a brother or sister general church setting, no, but a husband and wives setting.

PICJAG

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moorea944 said:

So are you saying that God's ways are wrong and man's ways are right?

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epronovost said:

In my opinion, if your deity doesn't support gender equality, your deity's way is unjust, harmful and profoundly cretinous. It basically has one of the four most harmful and unjust hierarchical systems (racism, sexism, autocracy and militarism).

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moorea944 said:

No, it's mostly talking about the church or ecclesia.

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101G said:

GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply. second, no, I disagree with that assessment. God establish the home before he establish the Church. just as the apostle said, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." as with anything, Charity/God begans at home and then is spreaded abroad.
PICJAG.

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moorea944 said:

I"m not sure if you really realised what you just said. "For it is a shame for women to speak in the church." So a woman or wife can asked someone at home. That's....... what i've been saying.. So.. what part are you disagreeing with? Not sure what your really saying here, because this verse was exactly what I was saying....

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moorea944 said:

And that's the problem. "Your opinion" instead of God's ways. And unfortunetly, most of the world is like that. But someday soon, that will change with the return of our Lord.

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101G said:

first thanks for the reply, second, again we must disagree with yor assessment of the scriptures at hand. Listen, the apostel didn't say a woman/wife could not speak, but it's only a shame if they spoke without order. let's look at it, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." this SAME RULE apply to men/anyone (male or female, married or not) also, let's see it. 1 Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." NOW, LISTEN CLOSLEY, 1 Corinthians 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." did you see that moorea944, it's not that "HE" could not speak IN THE CHURCH, but in certian condition. as here without an interpreter. so men cannot speak in the churches also if certian conditions are not meet. so in verse 34 & 35 it's a shame for a wife to speak ignorantly, hence she need to be taught at home first.

NOW, WE SUGGEST YOU READ VERSES 27 & 28 OVER AGAIN, THEN YOU WILL GET THE UNDERSTANDING OF VERSES 34 & 35. 1 Corinthians 14:27 "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret."
1 Corinthians 14:28 "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."

so here men cannot speak in the CHURCH, well, well, well, ain't that something, men must be silence in the church.

PICJAG.

PS at this rate no one will be speaking in the church, see how silly that assumption is?.....Oh well.

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