Why Does An Archangel From Heaven Have to Debate For Years They Exist?

Vinayaka · Nov 28, 2019

Flame said:
So this is what it's like watching someone try to form a cult. It's truly fascinating.

A psychiatric class's case study for sure. We are truly a diverse lot. Makes me wonder how others ever got any followers at all. Were they that good of speakers, or had some magnetism, or were the people just really gullible? Maybe all these factors and more?

Flame · Nov 28, 2019

Vinayaka said:
A psychiatric class's case study for sure. We are truly a diverse lot. Makes me wonder how others ever got any followers at all. Were they that good of speakers, or had some magnetism, or were the people just really gullible? Maybe all these factors and more?

I think its a combination of factors.

This TED-Ed gives a pretty good short run down on it.

Vinayaka · Nov 28, 2019

Flame said:
I think its a combination of factors.

This TED-Ed gives a pretty good short run down on it.

According to that, our man here is looking in the wrong places. An open religious forum doesn't have a ton of gullible or vulnerable people around, and it's hard to pus charisma on a screen in written words. Not too worried here.

Howard Is · Nov 28, 2019

Vinayaka said:
A psychiatric class's case study for sure. We are truly a diverse lot. Makes me wonder how others ever got any followers at all. Were they that good of speakers, or had some magnetism, or were the people just really gullible? Maybe all these factors and more?

My opinion is that @wizanda believes in what he is doing. Why he believes some of what he believes I don’t claim to understand. However, I don’t think he is trying to form a cult in the same way as your typical charismatic confidence trickster.

I could well be wrong however. My history with narcissistic women makes that clear

Vinayaka · Nov 28, 2019

Howard Is said:
My opinion is that @wizanda believes in what he is doing. Why he believes some of what he believes I don’t claim to understand. However, I don’t think he is trying to form a cult in the same way as your typical charismatic confidence trickster.

I agree. People with delusions of grandeur, although they do vary some, and do often go in and out of it, depending on medications or other factors, absolutely do believe what they say. A close relative of mine, with bipolar depression, will get like this some days, although currently he is quite well. I've had advice from a psychiatrist friend on how to deal with it. It's more common than the average man might want to know.

It seems to me cult figures do go after vulnerable people, and have a network of loyal workers. Some of the folks I know who went into situations like that had weak minds, and needed 'love'.

Howard Is · Nov 28, 2019

Vinayaka said:
It's more common than the average man might want to know.

Very true. More common than they might want to know.

I read a book by Michael Crichton, ‘The Terminal Man’, back in the seventies. Somewhere in the book, maybe the Preface or Epilogue , he included a statistical factoid which was that around 14% of the population have some form of brain damage which can affect behaviour.
I called that a factoid because I can’t remember the source, although I know Crichton carefully researches his subject matter, and if I remember correctly, it was that statistic which inspired the book.

Add to that the number of cases such as you mentioned, plus schizophrenics, plus the number of clinical narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths...throw in some maladapted geniuses...

You end up with ecologies of interrelated pathologies.

We have a global mental health crisis. Is it polite to mention that ?

dybmh · Nov 28, 2019

wizanda said:
Lets deal with maths, as for 15 years I've tried it, and it doesn't work:

Maybe it needs 60 years? I don't know. I know that you feel it's urgent. But, it's also a lot of work. And I feel like the the phrase "uphill battle" is an understatement.

I'm having trouble accomplishing my own material world goals, not to mention my spiritual goals. I've been told that I need to break these goals into bite-size chunks in order to stay positive and not get burnt out. I don't know, maybe that's good advice for you too. Not sure how to make it fit on a practical level. But, I don't know... honestly. It's hard to compare my own problems with what you are trying to accomplish.

wizanda said:
$Ideas-Outside-of-Normal-Parameters X $No-Authority = 0 on all answers.

Yeah.

wizanda said:
$Ideas-Outside-of-Normal-Parameters X $Authority-of-Legitimate-Messiah = Will make a sum more like 50% for many...

I hear ya...

wizanda said:
Which is enough to be heard by many, and for us to create world Peace between the religions.

uuuuuuhhhhhh, I don't know....

that part, is hard for me, my friend. I don't know if it's predictable like that... I mean. It may not be linear. The tipping point could be just 1 person. Ya never know, 1 little person can make a huge impact. Each person is important. I mean look at Bob Dylan. Look at Pablo Picaso.... Einstein, Pasteur, Newton, Hendrix. I think it's a mistake to make this into a numbers game. where there's some threshold of belief that will trigger the result you're looking for. Maybe it's 10 people, maybe 1 person, maybe every single man women and child has to get on board. Do you see what I mean. Who knows?

So, if I were you, I wouldn't look at it as linear. Maybe that's helpful?

Basically what I'm saying is. Finding the right people for your message may be far more effective than what you're doing now. We talked about it before.

There's this thread that was started recently about the Jewish Calendar, maybe you saw it. Apparently there's a ~~Jewish~~ Hebrew Roots movement, or something. Anyways, it sounded similar to what you're talking about. Maybe they would be a good place to start and develop support? It could be that by convincing them that you are the messiah, that this will trigger the beginning of a new era of world peace? It's not as large of a group. But again, what if it's not linear? I don't know... I'm trying to help.

wizanda said:
Like imagine we've never met the person before, and someone introduced us to someone profound - which person's understanding are we likely to respect the most?

A) The proven Messiah.

B) Someone who has some ideas, that no one agrees with.

Everyone keeps treating me like B, and it is dumb, as we can show A between us.

Right.

I can completely relate to this. But in a totally different way. There is no solution. It's a never ending loop.

wizanda · Nov 29, 2019

Howard Is said:
They are null pointers. In programming, that means a pointer which does not point to a valid object or function.

This is where the grand architecture @wizanda has created comes unstuck. There is no valid interpretation of those words.

As the person who recoded www.wizanda.com in a PHP Object Orientated Programming System; every variable is still defined in my head as well... Please ask before assume.

Howard Is said:
Also, could you please define “Quantum”, “CPU” and “The Source”?

Quantum = Entails the smallest parts of the reality; which are quantum strands that make up everything.
Source = Is the ultimate Source of structuring of the reality; else it would be random form quantum strands - like a computer without an operating system.
CPU = Central Processor Unit is the Core of reality, it has many names like Brahman, Allah, El Elyon, God Most High; yet ultimately it is where everything is processed, and calculated - which implies it is a logical mathematical CPU.

In my opinion.

Harel13 · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
Our people

"our people"? Were you born Jewish?

wizanda · Nov 29, 2019

Howard Is said:
My opinion is that @wizanda believes in what he is doing. Why he believes some of what he believes I don’t claim to understand.

Vinayaka said:
our man here is looking in the wrong places. An open religious forum doesn't have a ton of gullible or vulnerable people around

Be realistic for a second, and stop being insane yourselves; question if the maths adds up, that I'm actually who I say, and we can prove it by name references, and data in the religious texts globally.

Therefore appealing to people on a religious forum is the best place to try; I'm not establishing a cult, and the idea you think so is crazy on your part... I waited from 4-5 years old until nearly 42 to start explaining all the details.

I'm literally the return of King David who became Yeshua Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), and then returns as Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7).

I need people to exegete religious texts globally, if we have any hope for survival of the human race; this is a good place to understand where people are insane down here near Hell, and then deal with the mental issues in religious comprehension failures.

Currently the world follows the Anti-Christ's teachings as you're all not wise enough; the Gospel of John is clearly contradictory to the Synoptic Gospels on purpose, like in an IQ morality test, and most haven't noticed in two thousand years...

Thus it is clear we're in some form of assessment, and I've been sent to help, if we even recognize that one level of wisdom.

In my opinion.

wizanda · Nov 29, 2019

Harel13 said:
"our people"? Were you born Jewish?

Not done a DNA test; yet my family-line is from Lviv, which was on the edge of the Pale Settlement... Therefore I'm tracing my history to being Jewish genealogically there.

Yet as King David (Zion Elohim) returned regardless of DNA; as future King according to the text, Israel by birthright are 'our people'.

In my opinion.

Harel13 · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
Not done a DNA test; yet my family-line is from Lviv, which was on the edge of the Pale Settlement... Therefore I'm tracing my history to being Jewish genealogically there

But there are/were also Polish gentiles in Lvov.
What makes you think you're descended from Jews? Do you have any Jewish relatives?

Shadow Wolf · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
Not done a DNA test; yet my family-line is from Lviv, which was on the edge of the Pale Settlement... Therefore I'm tracing my history to being Jewish genealogically there.

Yet as King David (Zion Elohim) returned regardless of DNA; as future King according to the text, Israel by birthright are 'our people'.

In my opinion.

That's about like calling the Cherokee my people even though there's a line of Cherokee a few generations back and no tribal records.

Tumah · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
It is the Zionist (Rabbinic Judaism)

I hope this doesn't ruin your [insert nice word here], but Judaism is a few thousand years older than Zionism. I'm a follower of what you call "Rabbinic Judaism" and I'm not a Zionist in the common meaning of the word. They aren't synonyms.

wizanda · Nov 29, 2019

dybmh said:
But, it's also a lot of work. And I feel like the the phrase "uphill battle" is an understatement.

Isaiah 40:10-11 Behold, the Lord Yahweh will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him. Behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

dybmh said:
Maybe it needs 60 years?

We don't have that, we have 5 left.

dybmh said:
maybe 1 person, maybe every single man women and child has to get on board. Do you see what I mean. Who knows?

Yeah sorry for leaping ahead on the maths after '50% might then question the perspective'; opening the doors with the Keys of David is prophesied for the Messiah to do (Isaiah 22:22, Revelation 3:7 + 3:12 is our name).

Once the door is open, the maths 'becomes' easier:

When 51% of beings change towards a watering hole, the whole herd moves that way... They don't follow the alpha, they follow the herd.

With 50% questioning, and a whole team of people to support the Messiah, where people become trained in education spiritually as a true Levite (Isaiah 66:21); we can educate the Gentiles removing false texts (Zechariah 8:23, Isaiah 61:6).

Please note prophecy is backed up by a secondary plan of they won't listen, so we wash them with Fire at Judgement Day after they cause Armageddon, and we then keep the Enlightened Saints.

Where in either case, at the end of all this, our people will say, 'This is Our Divine Being Zion' (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12).

dybmh said:
Finding the right people for your message may be far more effective than what you're doing now.

There are thousands of spiritual friends I know from past-lifes across the web on Facebook, Myspace, etc, and could correlate them...

I need religious people to accept their books properly, else we're all doomed.

dybmh said:
Maybe they would be a good place to start and develop support? It could be that by convincing them that you are the messiah, that this will trigger the beginning of a new era of world peace?

I'm not looking for support, I'm looking for people to be able to question logically, when the fate of the human race sits in their hands; so far people are failing, and this is why I'm questioning if we can get anyone to take where I'm coming from seriously.

In my opinion.

Harel13 · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
We don't have that, we have 5 left

THANK YOU! A date, finally. Now, do you know when exactly in five years? Month/day/hour?

Harel13 · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
There are thousands of spiritual friends I know from past-lifes

How many past lives have you had? When was your last one?

Tumah · Nov 29, 2019

Flame said:
So this is what it's like watching someone try to form a cult. It's truly fascinating.

I don't think that's exactly what's happening here, but maybe some of the elements needed in a person trying to form a cult can be found here.

Howard Is · Nov 29, 2019

wizanda said:
As the person who recoded www.wizanda.com in a PHP Object Orientated Programming System; every variable is still defined in my head as well... Please ask before assume.

I didn’t assume you wouldn’t get what pointers are. They aren’t used in Object Oriented languages of course.

wizanda said:
Quantum = Entails the smallest parts of the reality; which are quantum strands that make up everything.

Source = Is the ultimate Source of structuring of the reality; else it would be random form quantum strands - like a computer without an operating system.

CPU = Central Processor Unit is the Core of reality, it has many names like Brahman, Allah, El Elyon, God Most High; yet ultimately it is where everything is processed, and calculated - which implies it is a logical mathematical CPU.

In my opinion.

Defining Source as a cosmic calculator is interesting Speculative Fiction, but there is nothing to support the idea.

There is no need to assume a Central Scrutinizer, or that the calculations you refer to are teleological.
If you are familiar with modern programming, then you are probably aware of ‘swarm programming’. We all know how amazing it looks when a school of fish is attacked by a predator, and the whole school seems to have one mind as it rapidly changes shape in evasive manoeuvres Similarly, flocks of birds often sweep through the sky looking like computer generated graphics. But there is no ‘school mind’ or ‘flock mind’ at work. A small set of rules in each individual results in behaviour which looks orchestrated by a ‘central processing unit’.

The physical universe is much like that. The rules are called physics. They don’t need to be overseen by a Central Scrutinizer.

wizanda said:
question if the maths adds up, that I'm actually who I say, and we can prove it by name references, and data in the religious texts globally.

Well that is your problem right there.

There is a television quiz game involving numbers. Contestants are given a selection of numbers, and a result. Their task is to find an equation using all the numbers in their selection, and arithmetic operators +, -, x and /, and parentheses if required, which will produce the nominated result.

Numerology, and loose word relationships , can be used to juggle letters and numbers to arrive at any result you want.

wizanda said:
Be realistic for a second, and stop being insane yourselves

Oh, OK. I’d never thought of that.

wizanda · Nov 29, 2019

Tumah said:
I hope this doesn't ruin your [insert nice word here], but Judaism is a few thousand years older than Zionism. I'm a follower of what you call "Rabbinic Judaism" and I'm not a Zionist in the common meaning of the word. They aren't synonyms.

I get they are not synonyms.

When we treat what is said with intelligence as something stupid, we often miss the complexities of the statements.

Claiming you don't understand me is fine, trying to look for a fault in your own understanding, should be done by asking where you don't understand.

Since Babylon there were creations of additional texts, oral traditions, and ideas that then became the Pharisees, then Rabbinic Judaism, and now Zionism; I find it cults built on top of the Tanakh & Yeshua's Testimony - where we can show the additional texts stuck on externally.

Really am sorry for saying that by the way, and there is literally no offence meant; yet this is dealing with the scriptures statements.

Since the 2nd Temple Destruction in Zechariah 11, the foolish idolatrous shepherds have been over the flock (Zechariah 11:15-17) influencing our people away from the Tanakh, and into their own texts.

These Fat Rich Shepherds are removed at the coming of the Messiah in Ezekiel 34, and replaced with true teachings; as they've blinded (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29) our people to understanding what is going on - until the coming of King David Elohim in Zechariah 12:7-10.

Like they've taught people:

to wait for Israel the nation, not Israel the people globally united as One under God.
Wait for a 3rd temple, not be the Light of Israel in the world, from each being a temple for God.
That the Tanakh is literally about Yeshua (H3444).

It is like what Moses said of not allowing the religions of other Nations to mislead, has done so on purpose (Ezekiel 20:25).

In my opinion.

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