Satan doesn't scare me, and neither does anything written in the NT.
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Wandering Monk
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Oh, Gentiles who are wannabe Jews like you then?
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Not me since "falsified" relates to science.
I believe the evidence has determined that the Torah. first part of the Tanakh is an evolved and edited text with roots in Sumerian, Babylonian, Ugarit and Canaanite texts. If one considers this evolution of the edited text as the history based on the evidence, than it indeed has been falsified.
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whirlingmerc
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I would see the Torah a result of face to face discussions between God and Moses
Yes, you believe this, but unfortunately there is no evidence that the Pentateuch existed before ~700 BCE, and even then it was sketchy. The existence of Moses and the Exodus is mythical big time. The evidence clearly determines it was a compilation, and compiled from Sumerian, Babylonian, Canaanite, and Ugarit texts and traditional Hebrew beliefs related to the fact that they were a Canaanite tribe and their language evolved as a Canaanite dialect. .
Can you provide any evidence of the existence of texts before ~700 BCE?
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sooda
Veteran Member
All the stories were borrowed from earlier civilizations. They are neither history nor science.
They are a teaching tool.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I am truly curious: how eo you reckon that will scare or imtimidate those who dont believe in Hell, di not believe in the devil, and see Satan as someone very important and very obedient to god? You might as well tell me that Zues is going to strike me dead because I anger him. We could threaten you with Ammit, but that probably holds no sway o er you to chamge your ways.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Jesus believed it because he was seeking disciples from that group of people.
Mohammad believed Tanakh as well as Bible because he was seeking followers from those groups of people.
Joseph Smith believe Tanakh and Bible because he was ...
Bahaullah went one better. He believed Tanakh, Avesta, Bible and Quran because he was seeking disciples from all groups.
There are always a reason for belief.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Jesus believed it because He believed it to be true.
Even the book of Daniel calls the Bible of Daniel's day, 'the book of truth'
Jesus was not a politician (or a marketing strategist) who stuck his finger in the wind and altered his message to people's preferences
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
The exodus? the fall of Jericho? David and Goliath? The death and resurrection of Jesus with eyewitnesses?
Na, not simply from other civs
In the case of Noah the so called 'earlier versions' had problems like the most powerful force being magic and an cube shaped ark that would roll all over the ocean like a volleyball
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Noahs ark lacked critical features to make it seaworthy, and it too would have been tossed and thrashed about and it most certainly would not have survived the conditions it would have been exposed to.
sooda
Veteran Member
Yes ALL.. Protestant Christians want to look at the OT stories as a telling of actual events.. and they are not that at all.
Have you read Aesop's Fables from the same time period as the OT?
sooda
Veteran Member
All those stories are MORALITY tales NOT history … They are meant to teach us something not have us believe that a person could live inside a fish for 3 days or that the whole earth was flooded.
Jews figured that out well over 2500 years ago.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not know Jesus' reason to believe in Tanakh. And if he believed, that is not surprising. A whole lot of people believe in their scriptures as if they were from a really existing Ahur Mazda/God/Allah/Ishwara. They do not apply Okham's Razor. Charvaks, Jains and Buddhists of India were among the first to do so.
That is interesting, with a gyroscopic hold which will stay upright. Nothing ever was a problem for writers of scriptures.
I am looking at the evidence of actual known texts, and comparative evidence with older texts from the older cultures. The fact that the pastoral Canaanite Hebrew in the Hills of Judea written language did not exist before !000 BCE. The early evidence which is scant is the Hebrews dialect used a primitive form of written Canaanite language. Also Canaanite idols are found in the Hebrew villages before this date.
Archaeology is an important source of evidence, and there is no evidence for Exodus in Egypt, the Sinai or Palestine. Yes there were 'some' Hebrew slaves in Egypt, because Egypt invaded Palestine a number of times, but the scale of the claim of Exodus is beyond any reasonable known evidence. We can look into the actual chronological evidence in Egypt and Palestine if you like.