Back to freedom of conscience...Now that I think about it, I realize you understate it. Things have changed so quickly that men are all confused about how we should behave.
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Back to freedom of conscience...Now that I think about it, I realize you understate it. Things have changed so quickly that men are all confused about how we should behave.
Paul was a Pharisee who contradicts Christ... Yeshua raised women up, and said those who do the work of God, male and female are his family (Matthew 12:50).Should women remain silent in the churches?
Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?
Speak for yourself, it's actually incredibly easy to know how you should behave around women: be respectful.
Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?
Of course not. It would difficult for women priests, pastors, lectors and choir members to fulfill their duties if they remained silent. Paul was probably addressing a specific issue in a specific church. A lot of his writings just deal with local church matters and weren't meant for all places and all times. Mary Magdalene was one of the main leaders of early Christianity and I can't imagine she remained silent during worship.Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?
'woman' has no spiritual discernment 1 Cor 2:14, and this is why she was deceived.Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?
first thanks for the reply, second that makes no sense. in 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." here, the apostle is not even speak to any woman nor women in the churches. he was speaking to husbands of women who are their wives. he said "Let YOUR women". . he was speaking to men/husband, as was in 1 Timothy 2:12. this is a husband and wife setting, not a brother, in general or sister setting.Paul is not saying that a woman should not go out and preach or talk about God's Word. He not saying that. He saying that in the memorial service when you worship, she should be not teach over a brother or be priest or pastor or something in that term. And there is a reason for that. And that's not to disrespect women at all!!!
God has set up a divine order of things to be done. His way, not ours......... Who are we to say that we have the right to change that order because we "think" that Mrs. So and so can be a priest in a church. Look at the history of the bible. It was man that held all the titles of everything. Look at the story of creation too.
1 Cor 13 v 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
1 Tim 2 v 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 Cor 11 v 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have authority on her head because of the angels.
A sister must not teach in a way that will usurp authority over a brother. Two reason are given.......
1. Just as the headcovering in prayer, this confirms the righteousness of the Divine creative order... "For Adam was first formed, then Eve"
2. This ritual also declares the sister's agreement with the righteousness of God's Edenic curse of subjection and womankind's reponsibility for Eve's part in the failure in the Garden.... "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
This is strongly confirmed in 1 Cor 14v33-35 "As in all the churches of the saints, let your women keep silence in the churches." Silence is a form of respect. Even the Godless societies of mankind understand this relationship. Therefore although sisters are exhorted in scripture to teach the young women they must not teach or promote themselves above their brothers or they deny God's wisdom in the creative order and deny the righteousness of God's curse of subjection for Eve's part in the failure in Eden. It is unwise to disagree with our Heavenly Father's wisdom or contradict His righteousness.
The responsiblity on the brethren in relation to this sisters silence ritual is to rise to our responsiblities, exercising the necessary leadership, researching and teaching willingly and reflicting the role of our head in Jesus Christ.
We cant bring our own thoughts into play on God's princibles. Even if we dont understand things, God is always right. God has "setup" a divine order for us to follow, we cannot change that to our own liking.
Women priests, pastors, ministers go against God's ways. But.... it's not saying that women cant go out and preach or to talk about God. IT's talking about the divine order God has setup in the church.
The Christian Church in many places has made the adjustment to the modern world. That is beautiful to see.
And that's not to disrespect women at all!!!
...then proceeds to detail all the disrespect and ignominy thrown at women's feet by this religion. I guess that's a case of ''I'm not sexist, but (insert sexism here)''.
first thanks for the reply, second that makes no sense. in 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." here, the apostle is not even speak to any woman nor women in the churches. he was speaking to husbands of women who are their wives. he said "Let YOUR women". . he was speaking to men/husband, as was in 1 Timothy 2:12. this is a husband and wife setting, not a brother, in general or sister setting.
what the apostle was saying, if you "husbands" who know and understand the word of God, then teach your wives the same. and if not, verse 38 tells it all.1 Corinthians 14:38 "But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." if the husband is igorant of God word so will be the wife who don't know. that's why one need to learn at home, (1 Timothy 2:12), before one come to church and cause confusion, by not saying the same thing. for God is not the author of confusion.
so this is not a brother or sister general church setting, no, but a husband and wives setting.
PICJAG
Nope, not at all. You just see things in a humanistic way.
Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?
Indeed, if you consider women as human and human as being valuable in their own right, this is sexism. If you don't consider women as human and/or human as worthless or not much, sexism isn't really an issue in such a worldview. Of course, I would consider such a worldview as profoundly stupid and the sort of belief that makes our lives darker, sadder and less prosperous.
GINOLJC, to all.Some of it was husband and wife, but not all of it. IT's almost like you didnt read all of the verses that I put up. Read the whole thing. And yes, this IS a general church settings. That's the point that Paul is making.....
First thanks for the reply, second, we must disagree with that assessment. and here's why. men and woman was, and are equal, but in marriage the male was to take the responsibility/lead in all RIGHTEOUSNESS concering his wife, which is ONE with him.Men and women were not equal in ancient Jewish culture. Was it wrong? Yes. Just another strike against "divine inspiration".
It's sorta funny that fundamentalists insist that the entire Bible is from God and inerrant, but then they find excuses not to do what's sometimes found within the pages.Should women remain silent in the churches? I hope it wouldn’t be a question taken too seriously these days. However St Paul in his first epistle to a church in Corinth appeared to advise just that.
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Should we take Paul’s words at face value or did he mean something else? What do the Christian scriptures teach about the equality of men and women? How did the early churches treat women? How much has changed and why?