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Paul/Shaul
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What does the context say?
Tumah
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leov
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I think it is a bad translation, it should say 'we want the same for all four men'.
Context is always important, when reading all Scripture.
It was simply a vow, made by Christian men.
But it was binding....Numbers 6:2; Ecclesiastes 5:4
But it was binding....Numbers 6:2; Ecclesiastes 5:4
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Probably it was a Nazirite vow. We are not expressly told. That it was a Jewish vow is undeniable. (Acts 21:20-26)
Good-Ole-Rebel
Context? CONTEXT? We don't need no stinkin' context!
lukethethird
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It was a secret handshake, not a vow.
leov
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i guess i was wrong, it mentioned in Acts 18:18 too.
Tumah, you have knowledge of the Torah, not so?
Please enlighten us as to how many different vows there are described in the Torah.
Tumah
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It appears to be referring to the Nazirite vow.
Thank you kindly for your help Tumah
And what does the context of the Nazirite vow stipulate?
Num 6:1 ADONAI said to Moshe,
Num 6:2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;
Num 6:10 On the eighth day he is to bring two doves or two young pigeons to the cohen at the entrance to the tent of meeting.(this is the temple for xtians reading here)
Num 6:11 The cohen is to prepare one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering and thus make atonement for him,...
Num 6:13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,(this is the temple for xtians reading here)
Num 6:14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings,.........
Num 6:16 The cohen is to bring them before ADONAI, offer his sin offering, his burnt offering,
Num 6:17 and his ram as a sacrifice of peace offerings to ADONAI, with the basket of matzah.
Act 21:18 The day following, Paul went in with us to Jacob; and all the elders were present.
Act 21:23 Therefore do what we tell you.........>> We have four men who have taken a vow.
Act 21:24 Take them, and purify yourself with them, and pay their expenses for them, that they may shave their heads.
Act 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purified himself and went with them into the temple
Wow, > so Paul and the Elders did not know that "jesus" died for their sins?
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Tumah
Veteran Member
Thank you kindly for your help Tumah
No problem.
From the context it looks like they were just using this event to pretend that they followed Jewish Law, to get more followers, not because they actually believed it. I think I read somewhere, that Paul says it's ok to lie to get followers.And what does the context of the Nazirite vow stipulate?
Num 6:1 ADONAI said to Moshe,
Num 6:2 "Tell the people of Isra'el, 'When either a man or a woman makes a special kind of vow, the vow of a nazir, consecrating himself to ADONAI;
Num 6:10 On the eighth day he is to bring two doves or two young pigeons to the cohen at the entrance to the tent of meeting.(this is the temple for xtians reading here)
Num 6:11 The cohen is to prepare one as a sin offering and the other as a burnt offering and thus make atonement for him,...
Num 6:13 "'This is the law for the nazir when his period of consecration is over: he is to be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting,(this is the temple for xtians reading here)
Num 6:14 where he will present his offering to ADONAI - one male lamb in its first year without defect as a burnt offering, one female lamb in its first year without defect as a sin offering, one ram without defect as peace offerings,.........
Num 6:16 The cohen is to bring them before ADONAI, offer his sin offering, his burnt offering,
Num 6:17 and his ram as a sacrifice of peace offerings to ADONAI, with the basket of matzah.
Act 21:18 The day following, Paul went in with us to Jacob; and all the elders were present.
Act 21:23 Therefore do what we tell you.........>> We have four men who have taken a vow.
Act 21:24 Take them, and purify yourself with them, and pay their expenses for them, that they may shave their heads.
Act 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purified himself and went with them into the temple
Wow, > so Paul and the Elders did not know that "jesus" died for their sins?
Tumah,
This numbers 6 vow, destroys one of the pillars of xtian faith(the jeshu crowd).
If you study their(xtian) resurrection feast, you can destroy another pillar by using Bereishees where Adonai defines the period of a day.
Good-Ole-Rebel
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Paul certainly was aware that Jesus died for their sins and was the sole Sacrifice now before God, as he would write throughout his missionary journey's.
The period in question is unique in that you have believers of God, Jews, living under the Old Covenant one day, and then coming under the New Covenant the next day. Thus it was a conflicting and contrasting time. The New Testament is full of the difficulty that many had in moving away from the Old Covenant.
James was a Christian, but could not remove himself from the Law and the Temple. His thinking as many of the believing Jews was, was that the Law is from God to the Jews. It is Holy and Good. Which it is. It points to Jesus Christ, which it did. So he saw no reason to separate himself from that which God gave.
These are Christian Jews. (Acts 21:20) "Thou seest brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law". Just like James was. Just like Paul was, only more so. No Pharisee could match Paul in his zeal for the law. He had been a Pharisee of the Pharisees. (Phil. 3:5-6) And Paul had a tremendous love for his people Israel. (Romans 9:1-3) So much that he wished he could take the place of non-believing Israel, and they become believers in Christ. That is a very strong statement. I can think of only one other that made that request which was Moses. (Ex. 32:32)
But Paul had been chosen by God and given a new revelation from Jesus Christ. (Acts 9:1-19) To which he was faithful in his mission. In this matter in (Acts 21:17-26), I believe Paul yielded to his love for the Jews, and his past association as being a Pharisee, and willingly set himself to again perform acts under the Law.
I believe Paul was in error here for several reasons. Mainly due to his refusal to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 21:4), (21:11), (21:12) And so Paul's mistake, in trying to go back under the Law, did not accomplish the goal that James and he thought it would. It instead incensed the Jews against Paul the more. (Acts 21:27-30)
Good-Ole-Rebel
The period in question is unique in that you have believers of God, Jews, living under the Old Covenant one day, and then coming under the New Covenant the next day. Thus it was a conflicting and contrasting time. The New Testament is full of the difficulty that many had in moving away from the Old Covenant.
James was a Christian, but could not remove himself from the Law and the Temple. His thinking as many of the believing Jews was, was that the Law is from God to the Jews. It is Holy and Good. Which it is. It points to Jesus Christ, which it did. So he saw no reason to separate himself from that which God gave.
These are Christian Jews. (Acts 21:20) "Thou seest brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law". Just like James was. Just like Paul was, only more so. No Pharisee could match Paul in his zeal for the law. He had been a Pharisee of the Pharisees. (Phil. 3:5-6) And Paul had a tremendous love for his people Israel. (Romans 9:1-3) So much that he wished he could take the place of non-believing Israel, and they become believers in Christ. That is a very strong statement. I can think of only one other that made that request which was Moses. (Ex. 32:32)
But Paul had been chosen by God and given a new revelation from Jesus Christ. (Acts 9:1-19) To which he was faithful in his mission. In this matter in (Acts 21:17-26), I believe Paul yielded to his love for the Jews, and his past association as being a Pharisee, and willingly set himself to again perform acts under the Law.
I believe Paul was in error here for several reasons. Mainly due to his refusal to listen to the warnings of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 21:4), (21:11), (21:12) And so Paul's mistake, in trying to go back under the Law, did not accomplish the goal that James and he thought it would. It instead incensed the Jews against Paul the more. (Acts 21:27-30)
Good-Ole-Rebel