Talofa!

Crosstian said:

On the basic level, the diagrams themselves are such evidence (though I do not expect you to accept that, for those that say that they are 'atheist' these days are really antitheists (aka Dawkins, Hitchens, etc), but there are few and rare exceptions of the intelligent atheist, who is more agnostic, or without information after a certain manner, though they do have it before them already as Romans 1 states). What do I mean? The diagrams are a set of ordered and structured letters, numbers, syntax, demonstrating intelligence conveying information behind their creation. This in itself demonstrates creation, and thus creator. Now from the least to the greater, follow the same chain of mathematics, syntax, language back to the original. DNA, RNA, etc is also such diagram. Ordered information, in syntax, with mathematics etc. It truly is a language to convey information and to be expressed from genotype to phenotype. What takes a host of humans with super computers and hours, days and sometimes years to read from the DNA "code" (who was the 'coder?'), and yet cells are able to interpret/read it infinitely faster.

"The Universal Genetic Code is the instruction manual that all cells use to read the DNA sequence of a gene and build a corresponding protein." (source linked below)

The words are screaming at you dear Milton Platt - "Programmer".

Anyone who does coding, such as I have, in numerous 'languages' (FORTRAN, DOS, QBASIC, C, C++, VISUAL, etc) knows that "code" doesn't spontaneously arise. One might point to AI 'coding', but this still points to the programmer of the AI, which then codes after.

Even those that do gene sequencing and study genetics, etc relay it as such:

"... We can think about the protein-coding sequence of a gene as a sentence made up entirely of 3-letter words. In the sequence, each 3-letter word is a codon, specifying a single amino acid in a protein. Have a look at this sentence:

Thesunwashotbuttheoldmandidnotgethishat.

If you were to split this sentence into individual 3-letter words, you would probably read it like this:

The sun was hot but the old man did not get his hat.

This sentence represents a gene. Each letter corresponds to a nucleotide base, and each word represents a codon. What if you shifted the "reading frame?" You would end up with:

T hes unw ash otb utt heo ldm and idn otg eth ish at.

Or Th esu nwa sho tbu tth eol dma ndi dno tge thi sha t.

As you can see, only one of these reading frames translates into an understandable sentence. In the same way, only one reading frame within a gene codes for the correct protein. ..." - How do Cells Read Genes?

So when you say, before we look at them (diagrams), this is already a willing blindness on your part. I do not say this to be cruel, but say this because you just told me "before we look"., which means you presently don't want to see. This must be dealt with first precious Milton.

Still discussing the diagrams, there is further evidence within, in the information they convey. What I mean is Prophecy and the fulfillment thereof:

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In fact, as one of the diagrams show, God, in Genesis 1, foretold the entire history of the world in a miniature seed.

The true God said that He was God, and gave the test (prophecy) to prove, if creation (all around you 24/7/365, which is why no one really needs 'evidence', people just need help removing their hands from their own eyes by love and not force) wasn't enough.

Hopefully, this brief answer will give all something to think about.

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Crosstian said:

Talofa!

I am specifically Seventh-day Adventist (not born or raised as)

01. Christian,
02. Protestant (anti-Catholicism, not anti-Catholic),
03. Creationist (Young Earth, 6,244 years ish) (non-evolutionist, non-theistic evolutionist. non gap-ist),
04. Noahic Global Catastrophist (circa AM 1656; or 600th year of Noah's life), Month (2nd), Day (17th) Gen 07:6,11; lasting a year (AM 1657 2nd, 27th (Gen 8:14-16))),
05. JEHOVIST (LORD God is JEHOVAH Elohiym),
06. Trio-ist (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, each Divine/Deity, are three eternal distinct Beings/Persons working together as one chord; with Father and Son having body, parts, form, shape, likeness (nature of the Holy Ghost/Spirit is a mystery unexplained though He is an eternal Person/Being), not necessarily 'trinitarian' (depends on definition (anti-Roman Catholicism def.))
07. King James Bible as the perfectly inspired and preserved word of God in English,
08. Annihilationist (wicked will be ultimately destroyed and gone forever after 3rd Advent),
09. Soul Sleepist (conditional mortalist; anti-psychopannychiast),
10. Ten Commandments (God's Law for all mankind in all times)
11. Sabbath of the LORD - keeper (the 7th day of the scriptural week as formulated at creation/Genesis) etc)
12. Historicist (prophetic, non-futurist, non-preterist, non-amillenialist, non-allegoricist)
13. Millenialist (aka chiliast) (literal, natural 1,000 years to come (spent in Heaven, not on earth))
14. Assurance of Salvation (relationship) but not OSAS, not Irresistible Grace (iow, can lose, cast away salvation)
15. Unfallen (no sin) Life on Unfallen Worlds believer (not little green, grey, etc men or beast men)
16. Continuing Gifts in the Church (such as gift of Prophecy, through persons like (but not limited to) sister Ellen G White), in other words, a non-'cessastionist'.
17. Health Reformer (Edenist)
18. Resurrectionist (belief in the resurrection, not merely of Jesus (and others past), but also of the 3 resurrections to come; special (mixture), first great (just/righteous) and second great (unjust/damnation)
19. Adventist (waiting for the real and soon return of Jesus Christ in glory and power from Heaven)
20. Tabernaclist (all doctrine may be found in God's Temple/Tabernacle/Sanctuary)
21. Conspiratorialist (I believe the scriptures (KJB) point out the secret doings of men in high places)
22. Globist (the world/earth is a spheroid, not flat, nor domish)
23. Love for the Truth/Facts (no matter the field of study/topic/subject)
24. Blood Atonement (Jesus' blood is the purchase of the whole world)

I hope that helps in any future conversation with me. Any questions, please ask, and do not assume, whether in public or private.

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Milton Platt said:

No, I do not accept that. How do you know it wasn't faeries? Or unicorns?

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Crosstian said:

You believe a "unicorn", a rhinoceros, a created lesser intelligent creature, created everything?
You are positing created beings are the Creator?

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Crosstian said:

You believe a "unicorn", a rhinoceros, a created lesser intelligent creature, created everything?

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You believe faeries, another name for devils, fallen angels (beautiful beings masquerading themselves to that which pleases the carnal mind), whom themselves are created higher intelligences, now corrupted, created everything?

You are positing created beings are the Creator?

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Milton Platt said:

No, I do not believe in supernatural ...

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Crosstian said:

You'll have to define "supernatural".

What about archaeology? Do you believe in it?

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Crosstian said:

You'll have to define "supernatural".

What about archaeology? Do you believe in it?

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