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"We live in two countries"

Stevicus

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News Analysis: After Trump impeachment hearings, both sides scramble

I was reading this article on the impeachment, but one aspect they're exploring is how both sides are hearing the same testimony, seeing the same things, and yet reaching diametrically opposed conclusions about what they heard and saw.

Trump has expressed frustration that his House allies were unable to halt a cascade of damaging disclosures. But as in his previous crises and scandals, he projected both a sense of victimhood and faith that he would ultimately prevail.

“Keep fighting tough, Republicans, you are dealing with human scum who have taken Due Process and all of the Republican Party’s rights away from us during the most unfair hearings in American History,” he tweeted. “But we are winning big, and they will soon be on our turf.”

The president’s confidence may be warranted by the calcified partisanship that has made public opinion about the president almost unmovable.

Trump says "we are winning big," but who can say for sure?

But I found this part interesting:

“We are living in two separate countries, with two separate newspapers, two separate cable channels, two sets of people with completely opposite conclusions,” said Frank Luntz, a Los Angeles-based GOP pollster who has conducted several focus groups during the impeachment inquiry.

“If you are an honest pollster, this is something you have never experienced in your lifetime. Where you stand depends on who you speak to. It’s not just social media, it is society — we don’t talk to people we disagree with,” he said. “And the consequences of this are awful.”


With help from conservative media allies, Republicans have tried to paint the Democratic-led probe as muddy, confusing and a product of Washington insiders who resent Trump and never accepted the legitimacy of his election.

During the hearings, GOP lawmakers brusquely dismissed witnesses’ recollections as “secondhand” and questioned their patriotism or integrity.

Is it really as severe as some people are making it out to be? Have we become two separate countries now (metaphorically speaking)?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
News Analysis: After Trump impeachment hearings, both sides scramble

I was reading this article on the impeachment, but one aspect they're exploring is how both sides are hearing the same testimony, seeing the same things, and yet reaching diametrically opposed conclusions about what they heard and saw.



Trump says "we are winning big," but who can say for sure?

But I found this part interesting:



Is it really as severe as some people are making it out to be? Have we become two separate countries now (metaphorically speaking)?
It's why I think a civil war could very well be brewing.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
News Analysis: After Trump impeachment hearings, both sides scramble

I was reading this article on the impeachment, but one aspect they're exploring is how both sides are hearing the same testimony, seeing the same things, and yet reaching diametrically opposed conclusions about what they heard and saw.



Trump says "we are winning big," but who can say for sure?

But I found this part interesting:



Is it really as severe as some people are making it out to be? Have we become two separate countries now (metaphorically speaking)?

Politics is similar to sports. People will dynamically fight for there team. They will be hardcore and over look the failures or wrong doings. If drinking it may come to blows but tomorrow at work everyone is good again. The difference with politics is that there are only 2 teams and lots of players so the media always keeps it in your face. There always something new to talk about. The country is definitely Democrats and Republicans when it comes to politics right now but when it comes to face to face, at work, church or just walking down the road we are all Americans still.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
News Analysis: After Trump impeachment hearings, both sides scramble

I was reading this article on the impeachment, but one aspect they're exploring is how both sides are hearing the same testimony, seeing the same things, and yet reaching diametrically opposed conclusions about what they heard and saw.



Trump says "we are winning big," but who can say for sure?

But I found this part interesting:



Is it really as severe as some people are making it out to be? Have we become two separate countries now (metaphorically speaking)?

One side treats hearsay as objective fact. Next!
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
One side treats hearsay as objective fact. Next!
Like who?

The birthers?
The "Lock her up" chanters?
Mitch McConnell?
Huckabee?

Don't get me wrong. Had tytlyf or Lyndon posted that I would have responded the same way, except used different examples.
Tom
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Like who?

Dems calling hearsay objective fact. My point was time limited.

The birthers?

A minor group


The "Lock her up" chanters?

Clinton was found to have violated policy. Comey said she had no malicious intent. That is not required for the violation at all. She was left off.

Mitch McConnell?

Pre or Post Mccain?

Huckabee?

Which one?

Don't get me wrong. Had tytlyf or Lyndon posted that I would have responded the same way, except used different examples.
Tom

Sure.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
You can't have a democracy with a nanny and surveillance state.
That's why I'm opposed to the swamp monster in power now for being a nanny to the plutocrats and supporting dictator tactics for people who love America.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
And yes, we're facing an existential crises between those who hate America, love dictators, don't care about truth, don't care about honor, don't care about our ideals, denigrate women a people who you can "grab" and so forth.

The civil war is here - not a shooting war but one none-the-less.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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Premium Member
Is it really as severe as some people are making it out to be? Have we become two separate countries now (metaphorically speaking)?
This was true in the 1970's starting with Jerry Falwell's group "Moral Majority" which re-framed politics as liberal religious versus conservative religious. This has actually decreased, and we have become a more united country. What I think has changed is the way the news reports it.

Take a look at any 'Red' state and count the popular votes. You'll see a change. You may not see major electoral vote changes, but you will see evidence of a softening between the politically opposed groups.
 
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