sooda
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Man didn't domesticate lots of animals like Wildebeests and Zebras, Polar bears, Aurochs... so what exactly is your point? Adah bare Jabal and they raised goats and sheep and donkeys.... not cows or camels.
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From where did the "wives" of Cain and Abel come?
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Man didn't domesticate lots of animals like Wildebeests and Zebras, Polar bears, Aurochs... so what exactly is your point? Adah bare Jabal and they raised goats and sheep and donkeys.... not cows or camels.
So what? The confusing of the language at Babel would mean that all the pre-flood stories went with them....embellished of course. Why do you think "Babylon the great" is destroyed at the end of this current system of things? Original Babylon was the beginning of all false worship....Babylon the great is the result in our day. All worship whose beliefs and practices originate in Babylon will go down. (Revelation 18:4-5) Most people who profess to be Christians, have no idea where their beliefs originated....most of them are NOT from the Bible.
Again...who said? were they there? Seriously? You post opinions as if they were facts. No backup though. Its just nonsense. You obviously have no faith in God at all if you have to find excuses for everything you doubt.
If you think the Bible is just storytelling, like Aesop's Fables, then I believe that you will hate the conclusion of this book.
sooda
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So what? The confusing of the language at Babel would mean that all the pre-flood stories went with them....embellished of course. Why do you think "Babylon the great" is destroyed at the end of this current system of things? Original Babylon was the beginning of all false worship....Babylon the great is the result in our day. All worship whose beliefs and practices originate in Babylon will go down. (Revelation 18:4-5) Most people who profess to be Christians, have no idea where their beliefs originated....most of them are NOT from the Bible.
Again...who said? were they there? Seriously? You post opinions as if they were facts. No backup though. Its just nonsense. You obviously have no faith in God at all if you have to find excuses for everything you doubt.
If you think the Bible is just storytelling, like Aesop's Fables, then I believe that you will hate the conclusion of this book.
There were watchtowers all over the Middle East .. They could signal at night and watch for approaching enemies during the daytime. The story is about the collapse of a civilization into illiteracy.
Just count the years between Noah's global flood and the Tower of Babel story.
Most of our bible stories came from Babylon, Egypt and the North Coast Canaanites.
101G
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thanks for the reply, if you would have read my post that I told you to read, camels was classified as cattle. and the verse in Genesis states it.
Camels have long been domesticated and, as livestock, they provide food (milk and meat) and textiles (fiber and felt from hair). Camels are working animals especially suited to their desert habitat and are a vital means of transport for passengers and cargo. There are three surviving species of camel.
now here is some intresting reading,
Science Daily, Origin of dromedary camel domestication discovered
hope that helped.
PICJAG.
This tower was a bit different to an ordinary watchtower. This tower was to have its 'top in the heavens'; legend has it, so that if God flooded the world again, they could escape it by going to the top of the tower. It was thought to be a ziggurat of some sort, often linked with false worship.
Why do I need to count the years? Nimrod was Noah's great grandson who was the first rebel after the flood. "A mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah" whose 'prey' were probably humans rather than animals. His agenda conflicted with God's so he swayed his followers to defy God's command and build a great city with this tower. Confusing their language put a stop to their plans, so when they spread out in the earth, they took Nimrods beliefs and influence with them. His mother, Semiramis placed her son among the gods after his untimely death, making herself "the mother of God"...a title that Christendom is familiar with.
What has that got to do with anything? Where do you think the Jews lived?
The dispersion of the Jews outside the land of Israel, (the Diaspora) took place because God's disobedient nation were exiled from their homeland when they were conquered by other nations—first the Assyrians, in 740 B.C.E., and then the Babylonians, prior to and in 607 B.C.E. (2 Kings 17:22-23; 2 Kings 24:12-17; Jeremiah 52:28-30) God allowed these other nations to punish his people with defeat and captivity. Why do you think Daniel was in Babylon? What do we learn from his exemplary conduct in that foreign land whose inhabitants served other gods? His three companions too refused to bow before Nebuchadnezzar's image. So the righteous were punished along with the wrongdoers, but what an incredible example they proved to be. Who said it had to be a fable?
After their period of punishment was over, only a remnant of the exiles returned to Israel; the rest remained scattered. (Isaiah 10:21-22)
You seem to want to put limitations on a God who doesn't have any....
sooda
Veteran Member
Nimrod was a people in Mespotamia not a person. There were only 700 years between the global flood and the tower of Babel destruction.
Daniel was never in Babylon... an the Jews were not mistreated there. Only the "good figs" were taken into exile.. The bad figs were left behind in Palestine.
sooda
Veteran Member
Genesis was written AFTER the Babylonian exile. Camels were used for hides, meat, yogurt and milk before they were used as beasts of burden.... and the camel saddle was invented between the 10th century BC and the 6th century BC. Stirrups came much later.
Arabs practiced birth control on female camels by the time they were used in caravans by inserting an apricot pit into the womb.
Genesis was cobbled together from different stories originating in the north and south under King Omri when he attempted to reunite the divided kingdom.
syo
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Humans were created on the sixth day, before Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were created later.
Milton Platt
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God did not create humans with defects. They were genetically perfect and let’s face it, if you begin with two people and tell them to “fill the earth”, it stands to reason that inbreeding was not going to be a problem. It only became a problem when sin was involved and the genetic imperfections were spread to the whole human race. The further away from perfection the human race went, the more of a problem it became. Hence, time to put a stop to inbreeding. Today the gene pool is more like a cess pool.
So you say......Do you have anything to support this assertion besides bible quotes? Explain how genetics have changed, and what changed them.
Paul said that where there is no law, there is no sin. (Romans 5:13) So until the laws on incest were written, it was not committing a sin to marry a close relative. Abraham’s wife, Sarah was his half sister....Jacob’s wives were his cousins (daughters of his uncle). Lot’s daughters had sons to their own father. All of this recorded in scripture.
Moses received the law only after Israel’s release from slavery in Egypt. So apparently before then, no genetic problems existed.
This is a bible quote, not evidence.
101G
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first, thanks for the reply, not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
that contridict your assessment.
and yes Eve was created on day 6, Adam day 3.
PICJAG.
syo
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Where does it say Adam was created on day 3 and Eve on day 6?
Again, with the wild assertions and nothing to back them up......where do you get this nonsense?
Why do you keep doing this? Either back up your empty statements or stop making them.
Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah so a gap of 700 years is unlikely...more like a 180 years....he is called...."a mighty hunter before the Lord" (or in opposition to Jehovah".) (Genesis 10:8-12) He led the rebellion after the flood.
His mother was Semiramis who supposedly married her own son. When he was killed, he was deified and many of the Northern Hemisphere mythologies sprang from Nimrod (the dying god) and Mother worship arose from his mother...the basis for Catholicism's "Mother of God".
According to religious tradition, Nimrod was executed for his rebelliousness against Jehovah, the God of Noah. Nimrod’s followers considered his violent death a tragedy or calamity, and deified him. Annually they memorialized his death on the first or second day of the lunar month Tammuz, when the idolatrous women wept over his idol. So among the ancient classical writers he was given the name Bacchus, which means “Bewept One,” “Lamented One.” This weeping over him corresponds with that carried on over the legendary Adonis, a beautiful youth who was loved by Venus or Ishtar and who was killed by a wild boar in the mountains of Lebanon. In fact, the Latin Vulgate Bible and the English Douay Version Bible use the name Adonis instead of Tammuz in Ezekiel 8:14: “Behold women sat there mourning for Adonis,” or, “Lord.”
Daniel was exiled with many other Jews and taken captive to Babylon. It is nonsense to even suggest that he was never there. Again who said?
"Criticism of the book of Daniel is not new. It started back in the third century C.E. with a philosopher named Porphyry. Like many in the Roman Empire, he felt threatened by the influence of Christianity. He wrote 15 books to undermine this “new” religion. The 12th was directed against the book of Daniel. Porphyry pronounced the book a forgery, written by a Jew in the second century B.C.E. Similar attacks came in the 18th and 19th centuries. In the view of higher critics and rationalists, prophecy—the foretelling of future events—is impossible. Daniel became a favorite target. In effect, he and his book were put on trial in court. Critics claimed to have ample proof that the book was written, not by Daniel during the Jewish exile in Babylon, but by someone else centuries later. Such attacks became so profuse that one author even wrote a defense called Daniel in the Critics’ Den."
Daniel—A Book on Trial — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
You asked for evidence, and medical science tells us that inbreeding causes genetic defects. The Bible says that close relatives married routinely in Bible times without producing defective children. I'm sure you will find other sources to confirm that. In later centuries the aristocracy intermarried and there were a lot of defective people produced as a result.....so much for blue blood.
If you ask a Christian for evidence, there is no better evidence than the Bible. It is very accurate IMO. This is the religious debate section so religious evidence has a place here.....
sooda
Veteran Member
Again, with the wild assertions and nothing to back them up......where do you get this nonsense?
Why do you keep doing this? Either back up your empty statements or stop making them.
Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah so a gap of 700 years is unlikely...more like a 180 years....he is called...."a mighty hunter before the Lord" (or in opposition to Jehovah".) (Genesis 10:8-12) He led the rebellion after the flood.
His mother was Semiramis who supposedly married her own son. When he was killed, he was deified and many of the Northern Hemisphere mythologies sprang from Nimrod (the dying god) and Mother worship arose from his mother...the basis for Catholicism's "Mother of God".
According to religious tradition, Nimrod was executed for his rebelliousness against Jehovah, the God of Noah. Nimrod’s followers considered his violent death a tragedy or calamity, and deified him. Annually they memorialized his death on the first or second day of the lunar month Tammuz, when the idolatrous women wept over his idol. So among the ancient classical writers he was given the name Bacchus, which means “Bewept One,” “Lamented One.” This weeping over him corresponds with that carried on over the legendary Adonis, a beautiful youth who was loved by Venus or Ishtar and who was killed by a wild boar in the mountains of Lebanon. In fact, the Latin Vulgate Bible and the English Douay Version Bible use the name Adonis instead of Tammuz in Ezekiel 8:14: “Behold women sat there mourning for Adonis,” or, “Lord.”
Daniel was exiled with many other Jews and taken captive to Babylon. It is nonsense to even suggest that he was never there. Again who said?
"Criticism of the book of Daniel is not new. It started back in the third century C.E. with a philosopher named Porphyry. Like many in the Roman Empire, he felt threatened by the influence of Christianity. He wrote 15 books to undermine this “new” religion. The 12th was directed against the book of Daniel. Porphyry pronounced the book a forgery, written by a Jew in the second century B.C.E. Similar attacks came in the 18th and 19th centuries. In the view of higher critics and rationalists, prophecy—the foretelling of future events—is impossible. Daniel became a favorite target. In effect, he and his book were put on trial in court. Critics claimed to have ample proof that the book was written, not by Daniel during the Jewish exile in Babylon, but by someone else centuries later. Such attacks became so profuse that one author even wrote a defense called Daniel in the Critics’ Den."
Daniel—A Book on Trial — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
Daniel is a Syrian poem that was written 1500 BC from the Ugarit or north coast Canaanites. It was adapted in 167 BC to encourage the Jews suffering under the Abomination of Desolation.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Wow. Rolling off more facts. Write a book sooda. Perhaps people will then take you seriously, when it beats the number one best seller, and most widely read, and translated book.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Sorry ma'am.
Why repeat these so called facts? How are they useful to people who don't take those opinions seriously? If you don't want to discuss the topic at hand, there is no need to. Those opinions are irrelevant to the thread, and appear to be just unimportant... well, I don't want to say babble, but sooda, they are not getting the attention of anyone here.
Well, at least they get some attention... enough for us to respond.
I think those opinions belong in a thread where the authenticity of the Bible, or it's books are being considered.
I wouldn't mind getting into that with you, but only under one condition - that you don't just make flat statements and repeat them when challenged. Let me know if you are interested.
Milton Platt
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The fact that the Bible says that tells you nothing other than someone somewhere long ago was ignorant about genetics.