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Was Jesus Gay?

Subduction Zone

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So now that we have you admitting your utter and complete ignorance where it comes to the Bible, perhaps that can be built on. God never has made anyone gay. He isn't a hypocrite, making them to be one way and turning around and condemning their actions and lifestyle. He created marriage to be between a man and woman and sexual activity to be confined within that arrangement. Anything else is abhorrent to him. Homosexuality IS a choice, regardless of you or anyone else putting forth futile arguments to the contrary. It's the most infantile and immature individual who puts out unsupported garbage statements like "the ones who are against homosexuality must be slightly homosexual themselves". Do grow up.

No, my God does not make men want men. Immoral is going against God's established moral standards. Immoral is also you trying to justify people ignoring those moral standards when you have no basis for doing so. As a just and moral God, he has every right to tell mankind that homosexuality is wrong. You have no place to tell him He is wrong.

Please, I probably understand your book of myths better than you do. One thing that you need to realize is that one does not need to believe the myths to understand them. People are born gay. That can be supported by study after study. People do not choose to be gay. Many Christians will spout some nonsense about being formed in the womb by God. That means that God made them gay. So right there by your own book God made them gay. It is not a choice. You probably are one of those people who are stuck in the middle somewhere. For you homosexuality may be a choice. It would not be a choice for me. I am straight. I was born straight, I have no interest sexually in men. I can get terribly distracted by the female form. The most "beautiful man" in the world could walk by me naked and I would not bat an eye, but there are some women that can drive me nuts just by watching them walk away.

Your God also has no clear morals nor is he moral. You probably have a poor understanding of morality since you have to rely on a self contradictory book for your morals. Don't worry, it is not to late, you can still learn.

And I am still waiting for verses where God bans being a homosexual.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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God never has made anyone gay.
I think that is a misconception. Lots of gay people are born right into Christian church families. Its totally natural. Its wishful thinking to argue otherwise.

He isn't a hypocrite, making them to be one way and turning around and condemning their actions and lifestyle.
The existence of gay people would not make God a hypocrite.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
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Premium Member
I agree. But what about that God banning homosexuality?
Hypothetical. We aren't talking about God but paid ministers, and they are in the biblical canon always the bad guys. Its always them, and yet somehow they manage to gloss this over when they're quoting from the canon. Pharoah has his magicians, and Moses has to deal with his problem priests, the prophets talk about all the problems with the paid ministry in their times, and Jesus has his trouble with the paid ministry in his times. Paul says there is trouble with them, and we've all seen the History since then. Its the history of religion that people who are paid to be preachers, prophets, or whatever; these people say what they are paid to say, point fingers and make scarecrows of others and say that they speak for God. Generally they don't. They make a profit off of suckering folks and telling us words that feel comforting. The only people you can listen to are people you can respect: good folks and people who take a beating for doing the right thing. You can't take the opinions of someone who lives by speaking sweetly and pointing fingers. Its just poison if you listen. Currently they point the finger at homosexuals. A century ago it was blacks, Jews, anybody with an accent etc. Listening to them is like taking drugs. Its makes you want more and makes you sick.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I think Jesus loved all. And Biblical love is nothing sexual. That is why I wouldn’t call anyone "gay" just because he loves.
What is "Biblical love," and why would Jesus single out just one of his disciples as especially deserving of it? Just consider how Jesus loved:

"the one Jesus loved dearly,"
"the one Jesus loved very much"
"the one Yeshua particularly loved,"

"the one Jesus specially loved,"

If the love isn't eros (romantic) one would think his love would be distributed equally among his disciples. But it isn't!

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Please, I probably understand your book of myths better than you do. One thing that you need to realize is that one does not need to believe the myths to understand them. People are born gay. That can be supported by study after study. People do not choose to be gay. Many Christians will spout some nonsense about being formed in the womb by God. That means that God made them gay. So right there by your own book God made them gay. It is not a choice. You probably are one of those people who are stuck in the middle somewhere. For you homosexuality may be a choice. It would not be a choice for me. I am straight. I was born straight, I have no interest sexually in men. I can get terribly distracted by the female form. The most "beautiful man" in the world could walk by me naked and I would not bat an eye, but there are some women that can drive me nuts just by watching them walk away.

Your God also has no clear morals nor is he moral. You probably have a poor understanding of morality since you have to rely on a self contradictory book for your morals. Don't worry, it is not to late, you can still learn.

And I am still waiting for verses where God bans being a homosexual.

So another admission on your part that you don't know the Bible at all. Good job.

The only myth is one that claims people are born gay. Pure myth and nothing more.

By my own book God did not make anyone gay. No one still in the womb or even out of it for years has any concept or inkling of sexuality at all, let alone claiming they're already gay. Homosexuality is all choice. Always has been, always will be.

God's clear morals, which are very simple and easy to find, are far superior to those of sinful and imperfect humans. But then again, you are one of those sinful, imperfect humans so your willful lack of understanding on morality is understandable. I don't rely on any self-contradictory books for anything, unlike you.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
What is "Biblical love," and why would Jesus single out just one of his disciples as especially deserving of it? Just consider how Jesus loved:

"the one Jesus loved dearly,"
"the one Jesus loved very much"
"the one Yeshua particularly loved,"
"the one Jesus specially loved,"

If the love isn't eros (romantic) one would think his love would be distributed equally among his disciples. But it isn't!

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Aren't all of those found only in John? Perhaps Jesus was not the gay one.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So another admission on your part that you don't know the Bible at all. Good job.

The only myth is one that claims people are born gay. Pure myth and nothing more.

By my own book God did not make anyone gay. No one still in the womb or even out of it for years has any concept or inkling of sexuality at all, let alone claiming they're already gay. Homosexuality is all choice. Always has been, always will be.

God's clear morals, which are very simple and easy to find, are far superior to those of sinful and imperfect humans. But then again, you are one of those sinful, imperfect humans so your willful lack of understanding on morality is understandable. I don't rely on any self-contradictory books for anything, unlike you.
Nope, talk to any competent psychologist. You will find that not to be the case. It probably is a choice for you. Homosexuality is not a choice for most homosexuals.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Aren't all of those found only in John? Perhaps Jesus was not the gay one.

"The phrase "the disciple whom Jesus loved" (Greek: ὁ μαθητὴς ὃν ἠγάπα ὁ Ἰησοῦς, ho mathētēs hon ēgapā ho Iēsous) or, in John 20:2, the disciple beloved of Jesus (Greek: ὃν ἐφίλει ὁ Ἰησοῦς, hon ephilei ho Iēsous) is used six times in the Gospel of John,[1] but in no other New Testament accounts of Jesus."
Source: Wikipedia​

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Nope, talk to any competent psychologist. You will find that not to be the case. It probably is a choice for you. Homosexuality is not a choice for most homosexuals.

And any competent psychologist will agree that it is only choice, nothing more. Just because it's your choice, doesn't mean it isn't choice for others too.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Of course it's sick. It goes against God's design and purpose for humans. Once again you're in denial.
No, it goes against your personal evil version of God. What makes you think that humans were "designed" in the first place? And how can I be the one in denial when all of the facts and evidence are on my side. All that you have is a skewed interpretation of a book of myths.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And any competent psychologist will agree that it is only choice, nothing more. Just because it's your choice, doesn't mean it isn't choice for others too.
Nope, you really have no clue when it comes to this:

Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality
Homosexuality and psychology - Wikipedia

Homosexuality and scientific evidence: On suspect anecdotes, antiquated data, and broad generalizations

I could keep going. Nothing there about it being a choice.
 
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