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The Lord's Day, is it really Sunday?

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3rdAngel

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One of the traditions of men is Christmas.
I used to celebrate Christmas when I was Catholic
Now, hate to celebrate that.

The Seventh Day Adventists celebrate Christmas
which is a pagan festival - originally Sol Invictus
then became Saturnalia and evolved into Christmas
Chapter 77—Christmas The Adventist Home

Why adopt a baseless pagan derived feast like Christmas?


Do you celebrate Christmas?
Does the church you belong celebrate Christmas?
If yes, you are celebrating the most wonderful time of the year....

Rubbish!

I just told you already, I do not follow Christmas or do I follow or celebrate any pagan festivals. You did not read the post sent you did you.

This thread is not about Christmas
. This thread and OP has nothing to do with Christmas.

Now did you have anything to share in relation to the OP and if not why not?

Where is the scripture that says "SUNDAY" is "THE LORDS DAY"? You do not have any scripture now do you.

If there is no scripture who are you following, the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? JESUS says those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God?

Who do you believe and follow?
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Everyday is the Lord's Day.

Psalm 88:9 New International Version (NIV)
my eyes are dim with grief.

I call to you, Lord, every day;
I spread out my hands to you.

Well nope!

Psalms 88:9 does not say that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" now does it? We should pray to God everyday and like Daniel maybe three times a day. Praying to the Lord though is not the Lords day or does it say "SUNDAY" is "THE LORDS DAY".

Where is the scripture that says "SUNDAY" is "THE LORDS DAY"?

Let's be honest brother....

You do not have any scripture now do you that says Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" do you. If you do not have any scripture why do you pretend that you do?

If there is no scripture who are you following, the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? JESUS says those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God?

Who do you follow?
 
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MJFlores

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Well nope!

Psalms 88:9 does not say that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" now does it? We should pray to God everyday and like Daniel maybe three times a day. Praying to the Lord though is not the Lords day or does it say "SUNDAY" is "THE LORDS DAY".

Where is the scripture that says "SUNDAY" is "THE LORDS DAY"? Let's be honest brother. You do not have any scripture now do you. If you do not have any scripture why do you pretend that you do?

If there is no scripture who are you following, the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? JESUS says those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God?

Who do you follow?

You like to separate a day and call it Lord's day.
I do not see Sunday special over Saturday and vice versa
I keep each day as holy as possible.

To me the Lord's day is this:

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

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Acts 2:20 New International Version (NIV)
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God?
Who do you believe and follow?

It's a good question. YOU, as an observant Jew, would not have been at any of those
Sunday gatherings when Jesus met with His followers.

In fact I doubt Jesus would have resonated with you at all - you would have heard
about Jesus working on the Sabbath, besmirching the Sabbath and claiming that
the Old Testament was past. Indeed, you would think the Ten Commandments
alone would save you. So there was something in your psyche that would have
been highly offended in this Apostolic Church treating Sunday as the Lord's Day.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

A.
MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

Why do you say that the Sabbath is "the Lords day", when it is a rest day? And then use Matthew 12:8 to make that claim rather than defining it as meaning that Jesus is Lord even on rest day?

...The scriptures never mention a "Lords day". Not in Matthew or Mark.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Doesn't it make sense that we have Saturday to rest and Sunday to worship, gather, and do Church things...? Hence the tradition of typically having weekends off work?
 
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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Chronologists, who specialize in such things, say no time has been lost, at all
These letters refer to "before the Christian era" since "very early times." Neither of them refer to time as far back as the creation, and I believe it's ridiculous to think that prehistoric man had the same system of chronology that we do now. There is no conceivable way to know on which of our days the creation was completed.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It is not a matter of being obsessed about a day it is simply providing warnings from God's Word about sin and following man made teachings and tradtions that have led many to break God's commandments that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. The Sabbath has been kept unbroken all through time to the very days of JESUS and the Apostles after the death, buriel and resurrection of Christ and to the disciples after the Apostles all through time to this very present day. The JEWS have kept it unbroken for 6000 years so the day has never been lost. It is not about God being petty. Sin is disobedience to any one of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11. Sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10. God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God) and follow him. Those who are not do not hear and do not follow *John 10:1-10; John 10:26-27. God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions *Matthew 15:3-9 wherever they may be, back to the pure Word of God to worship him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. This hour has now come and now is.

May you hear his Word and be blessed.
Look, if you want to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, that's fine with me, and I'm sure it's fine with God. If I want to observe it on Sunday, I'd appreciate your keeping your condemnation of my doing so to yourself. Thank you for caring, but I already have heard the word, and I am already blessed beyond measure.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?

A.
MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

Can you show from the scriptures alone that Sunday is "THE LORDS DAY" if not why not? If we cannot are we following man made teachings that break the commandments of God that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.
Ah, an SDA sister or brother. A fine group of people that I was part of, and where I was ordained as a lay Elder before the Gospel found me.

After creation, God rested on His sabbath, and He is still resting thousands of years later, so Gods sabbath of thousands of years cannot be the same as the one designated for humans.

The sabbath is next mentioned in the Bible, the first reference to the human sabbath, just before Sinai, after the Jews had been in Egyptian slavery for 430 years. It was given as a sign between God, and his chosen people, the Jews, forever. Let me say that again, the sabbath was given to the Jews as a special sign of their covenant with God, forever. Not withstanding EGW's tale, the first mention, and keeping of the sabbath, was at this point.

The sabbath was NEVER intended for Gentiles, it was a sign of the first covenant, between Israel and God. In fact you can read in the OT that Israel condemned it's pagan neighbors for murder, and rape, and theft, and blasphemy, but never once were the pagans condemned for not keeping the sabbath. They knew that Gentiles were not required to keep the sabbath.

Jesus Christ was a Jew, He kept the law perfectly for all, including the Jews, and including those parts that applied to the Gentiles. So now we all can have his substitutionary perfection applied to us, we are positionally justified as perfect before God.

So, now all are under a new covenant, a new agreement between man and God. The law for Christians is clearly spelled out in the New Testament. Nine of the original ten commands are clearly and directly enunciated in the NT,some are modified, like Christ's changing the law on adultery. However, there is one notable for it's absence, there is no command in the NT to keep the sabbath. If, it is the most important commandment, that upon at the end salvation will hang, don't you think the resurrected Christ or the Apostles would say so ? You must keep the sabbath, five words in any letters of the NT, in any words of the resurrected Christ would do. They do not exist.

How is one told to keep the sabbath ? In the OT it was a rest day. No one was supposed to do anything but stay at home and rest. One was not to go to the synagogue for worship, or go to a restaurant after services like many of my Adventist friends do. As an Adventist, my sabbaths were very busy.

Now to Sunday. The Gentile Christians kept the first day of the week, NOT because it was some kind of pagan holiday, but t was the day that The Lord was resurrected, thus the term The Lords Day. Further, there are some scholars who say that only after the rise of Christianity did the Romans emphasize thee pagan holiday on sunday.
No matter, the Gentiles kept it in honor of the resurrection. In revelation, when John says he had a vision on The Lords day, he meant sunday, The term was in common use in Gentile Churches and he knew what it meant. Of the seven times contact with the risen Lord by people was recorded, the day of the week for two is not recorded, the others were on sunday. Christ interacted with two Roman Centurions, Gentiles, He called them men of great faith. Of one He said there was no greater faith in all of Israel, yet neither could keep the sabbath. Their work week was 7 days per week, if there was a specific need, they worked weeks and weeks and weeks strait through. In the Roman army, go disobey an order meant immediate death. There was no exception. Do we hear that they were executed ? No. Did Christ tell them they had to keep the sabbath ? No.

So, under the law of Christ as laid down in the NT there is no commandment to keep any day. Paul makes it abundantly clear, " One man esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Let every man be convinced in his own mind."

SDA"s believe that not keeping the sabbath is one of the great sins and failings of Christendom. Yet nowhere in the NT, in the law of Christ, in the book of Revelation, are we told this.

Salvation is critically important, every NT writer discusses it, and how to achieve it.

If the sabbath were of such great importance, then or now, don't you think the NT writers would have told us ? They go to great effort to tell us how to be saved, yet, according to SDA's, they did not explain a critical factor of salvation, and the trap that all the denominations but one would fall into.

It makes no sense.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Sunday was a day of worship of the Sun.

Christianity is basically another Pagan religion that's been 'remastered'.
No. paganism has nothing to do with it. The Resurrection was on sunday, and Gentile Christians worshiped on that day because of it.

Every day of the week has a name associated with paganism.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Why do you think it does not answer your question? There is no Saturday and Sunday naming of the days of the week in the Torah or the bible. Only numbered days leading to the Sabbath which has been kept unbroken by the JEWS, JESUS and the Apostles and disciples to this very present day as shown in the scriptures in post # 7.
Please explain which day is the sabbath for Filipino's since at the creation of the international date line in the 1890's, their islands, and others had two days, named the same, in a row. So, for over a century none of theme have kept the " true" sabbath".

Also, when you approach the international date line at exactly sundown on friday, and cross the date line a few seconds later, it is sundown saturday, where did the sabbath go ? Which sequence of days do you keep now, the one before the crossing, or the one after ?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Balon
Let's ask scripture:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture:

Genesis 2:1-3 - 'the seventh day', 'God'
Exodus 16:3 - "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD'
Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day'
Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God'
Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day'
Exodus 35:2 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD'
Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'
Deuteronomy 5:14 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God'
Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'
Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant)
Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sababth ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord'
Isaiah 66:23 - 'one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD'
Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day'
Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day'
Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day'
Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]'
Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'​

This was already covered: COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

The term "Lord's day" was usurped by apostate Christians in Alexandria and at Rome, given another definition, not one found based in scripture:

The church which Jesus 'established' never kept the 'first [day] of the week' as Sabbath, and in fact, as already shown, every single 'first [day] of the week' text in the NT, demonstrates the perpetuity of the 7th day as the Sabbath, since the first [day] was simply a number pointing to that glorious culmination (see the koine Greek as I already cited - COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth? ). It also didn't meet every first [day] of the week either.
Baloney. I once believed this SDA propaganda myself. Most Gentile Churches founded by Paul, and other Apostles worshipped on sunday to honor the Resurrection. Letters from the early Church fathers from the very early second century prove this.

The sabbath is a sign of the special covenant relationship that God had with Israel, forever.

The only usurpation is by the SDA"s , who through their replacement theology, have usurped the Jews, and believe the sabbath is now the sign of Gods special relationship between He and Christians who keep it (SDA's)
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Look, if you want to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, that's fine with me, and I'm sure it's fine with God. If I want to observe it on Sunday, I'd appreciate your keeping your condemnation of my doing so to yourself. Thank you for caring, but I already have heard the word, and I am already blessed beyond measure.
You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

"God’s Laws Remain Constant

“Although the world has changed, the laws of God remain constant. They have not changed; they will not change. The Ten Commandments are just that—commandments. They are not suggestions. They are every bit as requisite today as they were when God gave them to the children of Israel. If we but listen, we hear the echo of God’s voice, speaking to us here and now. …

“Our code of conduct is definitive; it is not negotiable. It is found not only in the Ten Commandments but also in the Sermon on the Mount, given to us by the Savior when He walked upon the earth. It is found throughout His teachings. It is found in the words of modern revelation.

“Our Father in Heaven is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The prophet Mormon tells us that God is ‘unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity’ [Moroni 8:18]. In this world where nearly everything seems to be changing, His constancy is something on which we can rely, an anchor to which we can hold fast and be safe, lest we be swept away into uncharted waters.”" [Words of the Prophet -President Thomas S. Monson; LDS.org] - Words of the Prophet

According to the official stance taken by the LDS church, from the official LDS.org website:

"The Ten Commandments are eternal gospel principles that are necessary for our exaltation. The Lord revealed them to Moses in ancient times (see Exodus 20:1–17), and they are also referenced in whole or in part in other books of scripture (see Matthew 19:18–19; Romans 13:9; Mosiah 12:33–36; 13:13–24; D&C 42:18–29; 59:5–13; 63:61–62). The Ten Commandments are a vital part of the gospel. Obedience to these commandments paves the way for obedience to other gospel principles. " [LDS.org, Ten Commandments] - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Notice, the offical LDS.org site, cites Exodus 20:1-17, and let us see what it says in Exodus 20:8-11 [from LDS.org; classic, or check with Internet Archives WayBack Machine for the older version of the website]:

"8 Remember the {a} sabbath day, to keep it {b} holy.

9 {a} Six days shalt thou {b} labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy {a} stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in {a} six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord {b} blessed the sabbath day, and {c} hallowed it." [4th Commandment; LDS.org] – Exodus 20 or Scriptures

Ex 20:8 [Notation] - “the {a} sabbath day” - “HEB stopping, cessation, rest (from labor). See Ex. 31:17. TG Sabbath.” Ex. 31:17 given as “17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

Ex. 20:9 [Notation] - “{a} Six days” - “Ex. 35:2.” - Ex. 35:2 given as “2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “For in {a} six days” - “Ex. 31:17; Moses 2:31 (24–31).” Ex. 31:17 given as “17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”; [LDS Book of Mormon] Moses 2:24-31.

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “{b} blessed the sabbath day” - “Gen. 2:3 (1–3); Mosiah 13:19; D&C 77:12; Moses 3:3.” Gen. 2:3 (1-3) given as “1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”; [LDS Book of Mormon] Mosiah 13:19 given as “19 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”; [LDS Doctrine & Covenants] D&C 77:12; [LDS Book of Mormon] Moses 3:3 given as “3 And I, God, blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it I had rested from all my work which I, God, had created and made.”

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “and {c} hallowed it.” - “OR sanctified or consecrated.”​

Notice which Day that LDS.org officially cites from Scripture Exodus 20:8-11.

The 7th Day, the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, ... unchangeable, constant, as the Character of God, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever... I change not...

Again notice, from official LDS.org:

"The Lord personally gave counsel to his children regarding the importance and sacredness of the Sabbath day.

He said, “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

“Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

“But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” (Ex. 20:8–11.)

The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it, and he has asked us to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. It is a day for spiritual thought and growth; a day to meet with the saints and to partake of the sacrament; a special hallowed day to read the words of God as recorded in his sacred scriptures.

Fathers who disrespect that which God hallowed and fail to keep the Sabbath day holy will generally pass this sin on to their posterity. It is a sin to unhallow that which God hath hallowed. Keeping the Sabbath day holy has a hallowing effect on the soul of man, and love for God and his commandments is increased." [The Ten Commandments; Elder Bernard P. Brockbank; Assistant to the Council of the Twelve] - The Ten Commandments

Another:

"B.

The Sabbath day was changed in the meridian dispensation.

“The Church accepts Sunday as the Christian Sabbath and proclaims the sanctity of the day. We admit without argument that under the Mosaic law the seventh day of the week, Saturday, was designated and observed as the holy day, and that the change from Saturday to Sunday was a feature of the apostolic administration following the personal ministry of Jesus Christ. Greater than the question of this day or that in the week is the actuality of the weekly Sabbath, to be observed as a day of special and particular devotion to the service of the Lord” (James E. Talmage, The Articles of Faith, 449)."- http://www.lds.org/manual/doctrines...-27-the-law-of-the-sabbath?lang=kor&clang=eng

Notice that what they say in one place is perpetual, unalterable, and a sin to unhallow, in another place is somehow 'changed' and 'accepted' [not by Jesus they say, but by the church], but they cannot place exactly where, for no such example or commandment in scripture exists for it to be so changed.

The argumentation of an 'apostolic' change after Jesus, is Roman Catholic doctrine...

If I asked the elder, or ward bishop, or stake president, or one or all of the quorum of seventy, or yet higher still in the congregation of LDS, including the LDS president [prophet], would any of them tell me that they could not be sure which day is the "first [day] of the week" is? How then can “the 7th”, be “the first”???, how can that which is made “Holy” by God, be altered, changed and accepted by men???


Which day does the LDS congregation celebrate "Easter"? Which day does the LDS congregation officially recognize as the day of the resurrection? They say it is the “first day of the week”, and not the 7th Day...

"The Savior was ... resurrected. The New Testament contains several accounts testifying that He rose from the tomb (see Matthew 28:1-8; Mark 16:1-14; Luke 24:1-48; John 20:1-29; 1 Corinthians 15:1-8; 2 Peter 1:16-17)." - Resurrection

Therefore, the LDS.org clearly demonstrates which day is "the seventh day" [aka "Saturday"] and which day is the "first [day] of the week" [aka "Sunday"], and the two shall ever be separate, for the 7th Day is Holy, and the first is not...
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Look, if you want to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, that's fine with me, and I'm sure it's fine with God. If I want to observe it on Sunday, I'd appreciate your keeping your condemnation of my doing so to yourself. Thank you for caring, but I already have heard the word, and I am already blessed beyond measure.
You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

It can be traced from Now till Jesus and back to creation...

"Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles stated that Sabbath observance is an eternal principle, and he noted five occurrences in the scriptures when observance of the Sabbath day was required by the Lord:

“From the day of Adam to the Exodus from Egypt, the Sabbath commemorated the fact that Christ rested from his creative labors on the 7th day (Ex. 20:8-11).” - Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy

"The Sabbath was a holy day before the giving of the law, even from the earliest times (cf. the account of the creation-- Gen. 2:2-3; the sacredness of the number 7; the narrative of the manna --Ex. 16:23-30; and the narrative of the man gathering sticks--Num. 15:32-36; cf. v. 34); ... for the Sabbath is an eternal principle, and would have existed from the days of Adam, whenever the gospel was on the earth among men." - Sabbath

Jarom 1:5 Book Of Mormon: 5 And now, behold, *two hundred years had passed away, and the people of Nephi had waxed strong in the land. They observed to akeep the law of Moses and the bsabbath day holy unto the Lord. And they cprofaned not; neither did they dblaspheme. And the elaws of the land were exceedingly strict. - Scriptures

Notation Pages for Jarom 1:5:

A - 2 Ne. 25: 24. 24 And, notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we akeep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled. Mosiah 2: 3. 3 And they also took of the afirstlings of their flocks, that they might offer bsacrifice and cburnt dofferings eaccording to the law of Moses; Alma 30: 3. 3 Yea, and the people did observe to keep the commandments of the Lord; and they were strict in observing the aordinances of God, according to the law of Moses; for they were taught to bkeep the law of Moses until it should be fulfilled. Alma 34: 14 (13-14) 14 And behold, this is the whole ameaning of the blaw, every whit cpointing to that great and last dsacrifice; and that great and last esacrifice will be the Son of God, yea, finfinite and eternal. - Scriptures

B - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. TG Sabbath.-
Scriptures

C - TG Profanity. - Scriptures

D - TG Blasphemy - Scriptures

E - Alma 1: 1. 1 Now it came to pass that in the first year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi, from this time forward, king Mosiah having agone the way of all the earth, having warred a good warfare, walking uprightly before God, leaving none to reign in his stead; nevertheless he had established blaws, and they were acknowledged by the people; therefore they were obliged to abide by the claws which he had made. - Scriptures

Mosiah 13:16-19 Book Of Mormon: 16 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it holy. 17 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Scriptures

Notation Pages for Mosiah 13:16 -

A - Mosiah 18: 23. 23 And he commanded them that they should observe the asabbath day, and keep it holy, and also every day they should give thanks to the Lord their God. TG Sabbath. - Scriptures

Notation Pages for Mosiah 13:19 -

A - Gen. 1: 31. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very agood. And the evening and the morning were the bsixth day. Ex. 20: 11. 11 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord bblessed the sabbath day, and challowed it. - Scriptures


Mosiah 18:23 Book Of Mormon: 23 And he commanded them that they should observe the asabbath day, and keep it holy, and also every day they should give thanks to the Lord their God. - Scriptures

Notation Page For Mosiah 18:23:

A - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. Mosiah 13: 16 (16-19) 16 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it holy. - Scriptures

III Nephi 18:14 Book Of Mormon: 14 Therefore blessed are ye if ye shall keep my commandments, which the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you. - Scriptures
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Look, if you want to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, that's fine with me, and I'm sure it's fine with God. If I want to observe it on Sunday, I'd appreciate your keeping your condemnation of my doing so to yourself. Thank you for caring, but I already have heard the word, and I am already blessed beyond measure.
You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

The Doctrine And Covenants Of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints; Section 59, #9-12: 9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself aunspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of bprayer and offer up thy csacraments upon my dholy day; 10 For verily this is a aday appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High; 11 Nevertheless thy avows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times; 12 But remember that on this, the aLord’s day, thou shalt offer thine boblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, cconfessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord. - Scriptures

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #9, D:

D - Lev. 19: 3. 3 ¶ Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my asabbaths: I am the bLord your God. Lev. 23: 3. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the aseventh day is the bsabbath of rest, an holy cconvocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the dsabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings. Alma 1: 26 (26-27) 26 And when the priests left their alabor to impart the word of God unto the people, the people also left their labors to hear the word of God. And when the priest had imparted unto them the word of God they all returned again diligently unto their labors; and the priest, not esteeming himself above his hearers, for the preacher was no better than the hearer, neither was the teacher any better than the learner; and thus they were all equal, and they did all labor, every man baccording to his strength. D&C 68: 29. 29 And the inhabitants of Zion shall also observe the aSabbath day to keep it holy. TG Sabbath. - Scriptures

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #10, A:

A - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. Lev. 23: 25. 25 Ye shall do no servile awork therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. TG Rest. TG Worship. - Scriptures

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #12, A:

A - Neh. 8: 10. 10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send aportions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this bday is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye csorry; for the joy of the Lord is your dstrength. Rev. 1: 10. 10 I was in the Spirit on the aLord’s bday, and heard behind me a great cvoice, as of a trumpet, - Scriptures
The Doctrine And Covenants Of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints; Section 68, #29: 29 And the inhabitants of Zion shall also observe the aSabbath day to keep it holy. - Scriptures

Notation Page for D&C; Section 68, #29:

A - Alma 1: 26 (26-27) 26 And when the priests left their alabor to impart the word of God unto the people, the people also left their labors to hear the word of God. And when the priest had imparted unto them the word of God they all returned again diligently unto their labors; and the priest, not esteeming himself above his hearers, for the preacher was no better than the hearer, neither was the teacher any better than the learner; and thus they were all equal, and they did all labor, every man baccording to his strength. D&C 59: 9. 9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself aunspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of bprayer and offer up thy csacraments upon my dholy day; TG Sabbath. - Scriptures
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Look, if you want to observe the Sabbath on Saturday, that's fine with me, and I'm sure it's fine with God. If I want to observe it on Sunday, I'd appreciate your keeping your condemnation of my doing so to yourself. Thank you for caring, but I already have heard the word, and I am already blessed beyond measure.
You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

The Book Of Moses [LDS]; Selections From; June - October 1830; Chapter 3:1-3: 1 Thus the aheaven and the earth were finished, and all the bhost of them. 2 And on the seventh day I, God, ended my work, and all things which I had made; and I arested on the bseventh day from all my work, and all things which I had made were finished, and I, God, saw that they were good; 3 And I, God, ablessed the seventh day, and bsanctified it; because that in it I had rested from all my cwork which I, God, had created and made. - Scriptures

Notation Page for BoM[oses]; Chapter 3:2

A - Gen. 2: 2 (1-3) 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had amade; and he brested on the seventh day from all his cwork which he had made. Abr. 5: 2 (1-3) 2 And the Gods said among themselves: On the seventh time we will end our work, which we have counseled; and we will arest on the bseventh time from all our work which we have counseled. TG Rest. - Scriptures

B - TG Sabbath - Scriptures

Notation Page for BoM[oses]; Chapter 3:3

A - Ex. 20: 11. 11 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord bblessed the sabbath day, and challowed it. Mosiah 13: 19. 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. D&C 77: 12. 12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the atrumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God bmade the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and csanctified it, and also formed man out of the ddust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God esanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and fjudge all things, and shall gredeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the hpreparing of the way before the time of his coming. - Scriptures

B - Abr. 5: 3 (1-3) 3 And the Gods concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would arest from all their bworks which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and csanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth. - Scriptures

C - Ex. 31: 15 (14-15) 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of arest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any bwork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Mosiah 13: 18 (16-19) 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; - Scriptures
The Book Of Abraham; Translated From The Papyrus, By Joseph Smith, Chapter 5:1-3: 1 And thus we will finish the heavens and the earth, and all the ahosts of them. 2 And the Gods said among themselves: On the seventh time we will end our work, which we have counseled; and we will arest on the bseventh time from all our work which we have counseled. 3 And the Gods concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would arest from all their bworks which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and csanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth. - Scriptures

Notation Page for BoA; Chapter 5:2

A - TG Rest. - Scriptures

B - TG Sabbath - Scriptures

Notation Page for BoA; Chapter 5:3:

A - Ex. 20: 8 (8-11) 8 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it bholy. - Scriptures

B - Ex. 31: 15 (15-16) 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of arest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any bwork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Mosiah 13: 18 (16-19) 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; - Scriptures

C - Mosiah 13: 19 (16-19) 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. D&C 77: 12. 12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the atrumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God bmade the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and csanctified it, and also formed man out of the ddust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God esanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and fjudge all things, and shall gredeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the hpreparing of the way before the time of his coming. - Scriptures
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

Doctrine of Covenants and Pearl of Great Price are not classic books, they are not holy books,
they are not Jewish or Christian canon. They were created in the 19th Century and hearken
back to the Old Testament - the very thing Jesus ended.
I find them quite evil, to be frank.

But the Sabbath to the Christians of the First Century was the Sunday. That's an historic
fact.
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
These letters refer to "before the Christian era" since "very early times." Neither of them refer to time as far back as the creation, and I believe it's ridiculous to think that prehistoric man had the same system of chronology that we do now. There is no conceivable way to know on which of our days the creation was completed.
As I already stated:

You are confused, scripturally, and even about your own (LDS) material, in what it says:

It can be traced from Now till Jesus and back to creation...

"Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles stated that Sabbath observance is an eternal principle, and he noted five occurrences in the scriptures when observance of the Sabbath day was required by the Lord:

“From the day of Adam to the Exodus from Egypt, the Sabbath commemorated the fact that Christ rested from his creative labors on the 7th day (Ex. 20:8-11).” - Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy

"The Sabbath was a holy day before the giving of the law, even from the earliest times (cf. the account of the creation-- Gen. 2:2-3; the sacredness of the number 7; the narrative of the manna --Ex. 16:23-30; and the narrative of the man gathering sticks--Num. 15:32-36; cf. v. 34); ... for the Sabbath is an eternal principle, and would have existed from the days of Adam, whenever the gospel was on the earth among men." - Sabbath
 

Crosstian

Baring the Cross
Doctrine of Covenants and Pearl of Great Price are not classic books, they are not holy books,
they are not Jewish or Christian canon. ...
Never stated they were. I quoted them for an LDS, not for non-LDS. Try to read a little more carefully. Thank you.
 
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