Trailblazer
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Why do you think that?
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“Without God, Life Has No Purpose, And Without Purpose, Life Has No Meaning
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That's true, actually.....
. . . but your citation does just that . . . "Pretty much. It's easy to fall into nihilism and existential despair if we're just meaningless meat robots in a random universe."
One problem with this is 'randomness' is not known to be the out come of the processes and natural causes of our universe. The only thing that is random is the outcome of individual events where there are multiple possible outcomes, ie fractal relationships.
Second problem is atheists and other metaphysical Naturalists do not consider themselves meaningless meat robots, nor anybody else.
It would help if you had empathy for others on what they believe, and not impose your view on what they believe.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not know what is in the book but I think he is wrong about his religious beliefs if they are the traditional Christian beliefs. Moreover, he is also wrong if he thinks that he will be spending eternity praising God in heaven. That is not what we will be doing in heaven and God does not need praise because God has no needs.
It would help if you would stop making rude assumptions about what I believe or my level of empathy. Throwing you back on ignore would also help, too, so bye.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Totally idiotic statement meant only to control a segment of people who refuse to think for themselves. Rick Warren's son committed suicide. To me this shows a lot of smoke but no fire in his words. My children would shoot me before even considering shooting themselves. I'm so damned proud of them..
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
There is no life without hope.
I can only based what you believe on your problematic quote: "Pretty much. It's easy to fall into nihilism and existential despair if we're just meaningless meat robots in a random universe."
Say what you believe, and ah . . . believe what you say, and I will respond accordingly.. . .
Heyo
Veteran Member
For significance: you're one of 8 billion people living on one of 8 planets circling one of 100 billion suns in one of 100 billion galaxies in one of who-knows-how-many universes. And your life span is not even 1/100.000.000th of the life of that universe.Why do you think that?
For purpose and meaning: you don't know if or what your purpose is because nobody knows what that god thingy has given to you, even assuming it exists. You may choose to believe in one of thousands of gods but that gives you only the illusion of a purpose. You could simply cut out the middle man and choose your own purpose instead of the one that comes with your choice of your god.
Fair enough.
You can be an atheist and still be spiritual or religious. Basically, it's more about a sense of transcendence and connectedness than just theism.
Poetic... as humans, we are easily swayed by vocabulary and the written word, especially within the Bronze Age or now... damn, okay, time to get analytical. After all, there is an online crowd forming... best social media persona and go...
Both true and not... I don’t want to alienate anyone because the truth is that I love humanity and I believe that humanity is the measure of all things, ergo we determine the values against a solid background of facts. Two sides to the same coin, really.
I’m having a really great time being human and a person within this space-time. Literally, nothing more interesting is going on within the vast indifference of eternal space, so let’s make it a good performance worthy of meaningful perspectives. Human, person, out...
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I understand the point you are making and it is a valid point...
However, one of the middlemen might be the one telling us what our purpose is....
In fact, many of the middlemen might be saying about the same thing about our purpose, so it would behoove us to look at what they are saying because they just might be right.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, because people without hope usually kill themselves.
Oh I agree. There are a few atheists who go to my local temple. Wonderful spiritual people.
No, because people without hope usually kill themselves.
There is always hope. If the history of humanity has taught us anything, it’s that human beings are stubborn and that we will not give up or surrender. We will persevere because we don’t give a **** what absurd reality we find ourselves within. We will continue living, we will continue... umm.. making love, yeah that’s it... making love, and we will not go quietly into the night... we’re gonna make a lot of noise... and not be so censored about it, mind you.
It's time once again for...
It's only easy for those who believes that to be so. Those who believes that their lives are meaningless and/or can't think of any meaning or purpose except for one way, can easily fall into it. Even robots in a random universe can have meaningful life with purpose.
Is someone living in a random universe who cannot believe that there can be meaning in their life the actual robot? Are they a robot to their one and only purpose that they believe in, since they are born for that purpose only?
Entirely untrue. Well, the first part, anyway.
There may well be people who need a god-belief to sustain their purpose, but that is rare and quite unhealthy.
PureX
Veteran Member
That would depend entirely on how one chooses to conceptualize "God".