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Religious Faith and life beyond this mortal realm
- Thread starter Dawnofhope
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Adam was a Messenger of God. I see the Message he recorded is of One God and the battle we have with our own self.
We are made in God's image, but it needs to be brought out from us.
Regards Tony
Also likewise, I like our chats. I have many JW friends, been to meetings and have had many a chat. At one time the congregation was doing their best.
They tend not to drop off watchtower now though.
Regards Tony
The JW view on life after death certainly sets it apart from other Christian denominations.
TagliatelliMonster
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That is false hope and wishfull thinking.
I get that it can bring people psychological comfort, but I also see it poisoning a lot of things and I think the comfort doesn't weigh up to the damage it does.
I think that an eternal afterlife, diminishes the value of actual life. I think the fact that life eventually ends is what makes it valueable and meaningfull.
Its excellent to hear everyone’s diverse thoughts about an afterlife or lack thereof and what it means for both this world and the next. FWIW I believe our soul journeys from this world to the next and throughout the worlds of God. We will recognise those who we have associated closely and our progress depends on how we live this life as well as on the Mercy and Justice of God. We can’t properly imagine the next world anymore than an unborn baby can consider life beyond her mothers womb. I can’t prove or disprove the reality of the soul beyond the testimony of the Prophets of God.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Ah, those were the days!
As if you nice people can prove the the prophets and God!
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Afterlife is sort of a misnomer in my worldview.
I have no beginning and no end. I am simply experiencing maya as a human being.
What happens before my body is born or after it dies has nothing to do with how I live this life. It is my dharma that dictates my behavior.
That is what distinguishes the Abrahamics from the Hindus. Our religious narratives are based on a greater degree of historicity as opposed to mythology. So real people with real Teachings. Its not that Abrahamics are any better than Hindus or even that mythology isn’t there in spades with Judaism, Christianity, Islam and even the Baha’i Faith. Rather its a question of degrees. So can I prove the existence of the Prophets of God? Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Bahá’u’lláh were real people as were Krishna and Buddha. We have Teachings attributed to their lives and millions who have been inspired and even shaped the course of history. What more is needed to establish they were Prophets of God or Avatars of Vishnu?Ah, those were the days!
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
Well, one I don't believe in your particular god and I am just as sure as you are that it is not real. And two, I wouldn't find truth in your assumption that we don't get what we want. I believe we get exactly what we want and lastly, I don't believe that another human would know or does know what would happen in an afterlife or how it would work. And I sure would not want to spend my actual life worrying or thinking about it. So, I don't. But I do understand that many humans do believe in that and that's great for them if they want to believe.That is very laudable.
It is not about what we want, it is about what is.
If we have to live forever we have to.
The upside is that I have heard we will no longer think in terms of time, so we won't be thinking as we do here "Gee, I really don't want to live forever, when is this eternal life going to end?"
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
I would kill myself if I was forced to live an eternity with some of the people I've associated with throughout my life.
No, I don't think many people really consider what an eternal life would consist of. What if every millennium was a perfect beautiful sunny warm day on the top of the most beautiful views, all the food and drink they could want, all of the people in their lives since..eternity?? All the music, art, journeys, free stuff because that's the afterlife. No worries about loved ones, no trying to make money by working. Absolutely not one thing to challenge yourself or trying to make it through a day? For eternity?
I'm bored just thinking about it. I'll do as much of that as I can here thanks, and be done with it and hopefully not mess up this awesome planet too much along the way. But this is the place anf this life is what we should be focusing on imo.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Agreed that Jesus (perhaps, quite possibly), Mohammad and Bahaullah are historic, but that is the end of it. That proves nothing about their being Son/Messenger/Manifestation of any God or any divinity of their message. How does historicity validates what they said? In case of Hindus we had many historic teachers since Buddha's time and many before him, who were wise and humble enough not to make any claim of divinity but explained their view of what will be good for the people and the society.
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Samantha Rinne
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In my opinion.
Good enough for me.
Mine kinda doesn't. I'm a syncretic and have a number of faith paths to choose from. So I have no consistent way to describe the Afterlife.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Good to see you again osgart.
You won't have to sign up because if the spiritual world exists we will all go there. I am 100% certain, not only because of what Baha'u'llah wrote but because of what has come through mediums who communicated with souls in the spiritual world.
Indeed, according to Baha'u'llah there are endless possibilities in the many worlds of God:
“Absolute existence is strictly confined to God, exalted be His glory. Well is it with them that apprehend this truth. Wert thou to ponder in thine heart the behavior of the Prophets of God thou wouldst assuredly and readily testify that there must needs be other worlds besides this world.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 157-158
“As to thy question concerning the worlds of God. Know thou of a truth that the worlds of God are countless in their number, and infinite in their range. None can reckon or comprehend them except God, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 151-152
“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes.You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 329
“If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station…. The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 156
“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157
Good to see you there too Trailblazer!
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ecco
Veteran Member
You have heard. Did you hear that from someone who actually knows - someone who is dead and experiencing a timeless eternity?
If not, why would you give it any credence?
ecco
Veteran Member
How many times can you climb Mt Everest before it becomes as boring as walking from the bedroom to the toilet?
How many times can you swim to the bottom of the ocean before it becomes as boring as dipping your toe in a tub?
How many times can you greet your great-grandma before it becomes as boring as looking in a mirror?
Forever, eternity, is a verrrry verrrry long time.
ecco
Veteran Member
My imagination is not nearly as limited as yours. You cannot imagine that you could do everything you've stated, everything I've stated, everything that anyone has ever imagined and you would still have to endure 99.999999999999999999999999999999+% of eternity.
ecco
Veteran Member
See posts #57 and #58. Then think long and hard.
ecco
Veteran Member
But Hokey Cowboy, why did God put A&E here, in the first place, since he knew beforehand that He would kick them out for partaking of the forbidden fruit?