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Female Pastors? is it Biblical

leov

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It is Biblical, provided they are pneumatic.
'Female' is metaphorical 'code', from Eden story, I.e, Eve, physical life, that did not have fortitude to understand spiritual matters. (1Cor2).and was deceived to take forbidden fruit.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
In the qualifications for elders in the Christian congregation 1 Timothy 3:says...
"It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

No mention of women in this role.
I'm sorry I missed this quote, may we can address it now. we made reference to it but now will address it directly. the qualification as said was directed at men who was married and with a "DESIRE" to obtain the office. if these qualification for a Pastor/Bishop, was only for men, (males), then we have a question. Paul the Apostle, who also was a Bishop/Pastor was not Married, and he was in that office/work. so what's the exception?.

PICJAG
 

101G

Well-Known Member
'Female' is metaphorical 'code', from Eden story, I.e, Eve, physical life, that did not have fortitude to understand spiritual matters. (1Cor2).and was deceived to take forbidden fruit.
Eve was a "Adam" as well as the male. she was calle "woman" because she was taken out of man.
read Genesis 5:1 & 2,
 

leov

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Thanks for the reply. second, correct, for pastoring is "spiritual", and if one have the Holy Spirit, and is chosen of God to do the work, then it's God choice. may we futher expound on what you said. it goes back to Joel, the prophet who fortold this. Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." this was fulfilled on pentecost. pastoring is a "GIFT" as you said, "pneumatic", Spiritual. for if one read the Gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, the very first GIFT on the list is the PASTORAL Gift. scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;"
a word of Wisdom is UNDERSTANDING, Proverbs 1:2 "To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;" 1 Corinthians 12:8b "to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;"
so right in the same verse we have "KNOWLEDGE" and "UNDERSTANDING". this is what a Pastor of God do, scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding." there it is "knowledgr" and "understanding". so it is the Spirit that "GIVE" this gift, the pastoral gift.

PICJAG.
Paul did not allow soul natures ('female', that was deceived) to teach pneumatic nature ('man') . It has nothing to do with gender.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Paul did not allow soul natures ('female', that was deceived) to teach pneumatic nature ('man') . It has nothing to do with gender.
thanks for the reply, so are you saying Paul allowed the soul nature female who is not deceived could teach?
PICJAG.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
thanks for the reply, so are you saying Paul allowed the soul nature female who is not deceived could teach?
PICJAG.
Kind of, 'male' and 'female' is not gender terms s in this case but sprit and soul natures, knowledge and faith of 1Cor13. Unity of which lead to agape -love.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Kind of, 'male' and 'female' is not gender terms s in this case but sprit and soul natures, knowledge and faith of 1Cor13. Unity of which lead to agape -love.
agreed, for, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

PICJAG.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Opinions are not needed, only scriptures to prove your point. I use the term "Female" only as a reference point for understanding. because there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus.

With that said, "Can holy women/females in Christ be pastors, bishops, and overseers in the body, the Church that he the Lord Jesus built?". if one have a view, or comment, pro, or con, let them be posted with supportive scripture to establish the claim.

Let's set some terms before we discuss.

A. what is the function, or the WORK, of a biblical pastor? scripture, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding."

B. Women are prophets, and prophets are "Ordain" in the Church. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."
the term "set" in the verse is also translated as Ordain".

PICJAG.

A pastor (aka elder, bishop, presbyter) in scripture is to be the husband of one wife only. The Bible does not teach lesbian marriage so logically, a pastor is a male.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
A pastor (aka elder, bishop, presbyter) in scripture is to be the husband of one wife only. The Bible does not teach lesbian marriage so logically, a pastor is a male.
Thanks for your reply, but a question, "was not Paul who wrote this was a Bishop/Pastor himself?, yes, and he was not Married". supportive scripture. 1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:2 "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

here the apostle identify himself 1. as a Prophet, "And though I have the gift of prophecy" . also 2. he states that he's a Bishop/Pastor, "and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge" for pastors are to feed with "knowledge and understanding", see Jer 3:15. so your position on the subject is not qualified.

PICJAG.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
ommiting the vain first question, the second question see post #11.
Re. your "Opinions are not needed, only scriptures to prove your point. I use the term "Female" only as a reference point for understanding. because there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus." and my "vain" first question: "You mean that Jesus was without a penis?

FYI:
vain
/vān/

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adjective
adjective: vain; comparative adjective: vainer; superlative adjective: vainest

1.having or showing an excessively high opinion of one's appearance, abilities, or worth.
"their flattery made him vain
"

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101G

Well-Known Member
Re. your "Opinions are not needed, only scriptures to prove your point. I use the term "Female" only as a reference point for understanding. because there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus." and my "vain" first question: "You mean that Jesus was without a penis?

FYI:
vain
/vān/

Learn to pronounce

adjective
adjective: vain; comparative adjective: vainer; superlative adjective: vainest

1.having or showing an excessively high opinion of one's appearance, abilities, or worth.
"their flattery made him vain
"

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:eek:
 

leov

Well-Known Member
A pastor (aka elder, bishop, presbyter) in scripture is to be the husband of one wife only. The Bible does not teach lesbian marriage so logically, a pastor is a male.
Husband and wife , male and female have different meanings in Paul's language. Here is an example:
25"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30because we are members of His body. 31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband." Only starting v. 33 he speaks about genders. The rest is about human spirit-soul natures
(division).
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Lets open up the woman preacher also. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;" here we have a prophet, female, who preached of Christ. Supportive scripture,
Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."
The term “spake” here can be translated as “PREACH”. according to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments

Speak: G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter

so again the bible reveals another women in ministry, the work or labor in the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

PICJAG.
 
There is no scriptural basis for the allowance of females to be in positions of leadership with the congregation. The Biblical precedent is for those positions to be handled by men.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Husband and wife , male and female have different meanings in Paul's language. Here is an example:
25"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30because we are members of His body. 31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband." Only starting v. 33 he speaks about genders. The rest is about human spirit-soul natures
(division).
thanks for the reply. yes, the term "wife" and "female", are different. for the context will determine the correct usage. example, 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." here the term "woman" could be a "wife" or "female". for the term is
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

but the very next verse here in 1 Corinthians 14 determine the context as to if the term "woman" means wife, of women in general. scripture, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
a woman with a husband is a "WIFE". and to eliminate any other woman, the term G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) was NOT used. so from context here and as well as in 1 Timothy 2:12 the term "woman" is in context as a wife.

PICJAG.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
thanks for the reply. yes, the term "wife" and "female", are different. for the context will determine the correct usage. example, 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." here the term "woman" could be a "wife" or "female". for the term is
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

but the very next verse here in 1 Corinthians 14 determine the context as to if the term "woman" means wife, of women in general. scripture, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
a woman with a husband is a "WIFE". and to eliminate any other woman, the term G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) was NOT used. so from context here and as well as in 1 Timothy 2:12 the term "woman" is in context as a wife.

PICJAG.
Ref. E. Pagels "Gnostic Paul" I ate with her conclusions that Paul was a proto Valentinian Gnostic, what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 2 about soul (psychic) and spirit (pneumatic) division is pretty standard among Gnostics and its prominent in Paul's letters, as one can understand, psychic nature is devoid of deep understanding of spiritual matters and Paul's letters addressed to both groups (faith and knowledge) in the same text but originally read, separated and explained by spiritual (pneumatic) element, which Paul considered equal to himself. Christ Jesus also divided His audience on those who given to understand mysteries of Kingdom and those who not. Also story of Prodigal son clearly explain the nature id psychic (younger brother) and pneumatic (elder brother). also other metaphors used in Paul's letters besides man and female, are chosen and called, Jews and Gentile, addressing Christ Jesus vs Jesus Christ, word 'to know' in Greek and some more that help separate two groups.
 
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