Wandering Monk
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Do you dispute what I said? Or just the way I said it?
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Amazing MTF Transgender Transformations
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Do you dispute what I said? Or just the way I said it?
Wandering Monk
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Not gentically. Did they lose or gain an X or Y on chromosome 23 when they had their gender reassignment?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I realize there are sometimes difficulties, but if a person does NOT have the exceptional 23rd chromosome, they are genetically male or female.
the x y chromosomes don't determine sex alone. there are a lot of factors involved
and just to make you aware, all infants in utero start out female phenotype. all males have the same equipment as all females, they've just been rearranged to look different and/or function a little different.
phoebe is actually genotype xy, or what you assume as male. but as you see, she is a physically a female
What if the phenotype is at odds with the genotype?
Must the genetic standard overrule function?
I am so shocked this thread immediately degenerated into sex=gender=chromosomes nonsense.
You're easily shocked by the predictable.
[sarcasm]This[/sarcasm]
The Italian Law requires sex reassignment surgery for those who want to have their name changed.
I think it is a right law.
I think it is a right law.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Let's say (hypothethically) a man and a woman are married. Then the man wants to become a woman, but still remains married to his wife.
Let's say after the transition, these two people still have sex because the man hasn't undergone surgery...abd they make a child.
How should the baby consider his parents? Two lesbians who made him in a strange way?
I am speaking of precise cases...which happen to be not that rare in the US.
That is why the Italian Law says: want to change Gender legally? Sterilization first
...or they could just not make gender at all relevant to marriage clauses or parent clauses, at the US has.
We have universal free healthcare unlike the US so the citizen is relevant for our system.
Btw...I am speaking juridically. If a MtF is happy with having a M in her ID, good for her
Why would universal healthcare call for tying gender to gonads? Or anything really? Gender is not the same as sex is basic trans rights statements. So why do you need your ID to reflect your dangly bits?We have universal free healthcare unlike the US so the citizen is relevant for our system.
Btw...I am speaking juridically. If a MtF is happy with having a M in her ID, good for her
I respect anyone's identities. Deeply.
Nobody can deny though that during intercourse there is a passive part, usually the woman and an active part, the man.
I identify as passive part, that us why I underwent surgery.
And people are free to consider themselves whatever they want
Even if I accepted that this is necessarily how romantic relationships work (and I don't) what does this have to do with requiring a sex change for an ID change? If we are respecting identity then gonads don't matter.I respect anyone's identities. Deeply.
Nobody can deny though that during intercourse there is a passive part, usually the woman and an active part, the man.
I identify as passive part, that us why I underwent surgery.
And people are free to consider themselves whatever they want
Skwim
Veteran Member
Oh, you mean; The Italian Law requires those who have sex reassignment surgery have their name changed. Is that correct?
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