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Are the Rabbinic Jews Unknowingly Rejecting God According to the Texts?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
So invested that they are completely unconscious of their own bias.
The whole point in Maher-shalal-hash-baz.is to catch out those who are 'quick to the spoils, and who hasten to the booty' (Isaiah 8); it catches out many in false oaths, and stealing what isn't theirs (Zechariah 5).

So all religious groups are caught out by personal biases:
  • Judaism - think the New Testament was made up by some other Source of reality to the one who created the Tanakh.
  • Christianity - think the Source of reality needs to murder the Messiah to save them.
  • Muhammadans - think the Source of reality is limited to only one book.
  • Eastern religions - think the Source of reality didn't really write all texts as part of the Dharma/Tao.
This thread is asking, can we remove the scales from our eyes, and logistically look at the texts as Levites, rather than lummoxes.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Good Morning Zanda,

I'm not going to cry, yet after reading what you just did to the Tanakh, I feel like it; it took me 15 years to understand some of this for God, and you threw it away within 5 mins, as you didn't do the basics:
Before I get into replying to the rest of your post, may I respond to this statement?

I didn't throw anything away. At this point, you and I are working together. I think that there is a lot of room for improvement, but your research stands. You and I are building on it. Disproving/ Debunking false information is very important. I know that you agree.

Besides.... it's not just 15 years. You should be considering these 15 years compared to the length and breadth of your entire existence starting at your inception in the mind of God... The past fifteen years is just a small blip in the vector of your existence.

Further, you needed to know about the way the word H3444 is presented in each of the verses. It didn't take too long for you to explain the inconsistency, right? You should be focusing on the fact that right now you are getting the information you need in order to make your claims more credible. At this point, all you need to do is adjust the way you express your ideas so that they offset the weaknesses that are always going to come up if the person goes to check actual Hebrew in the verse. I'm not throwing anything away, I am helping you to identify the weak points in your method. And then after that, I hope to provide you some insight into how adjust the way the ideas are presented so that Jewish people don't automatically reject your claims.

It's the delivery, Bro. At this point I am not criticizing the ideas at all. ( At least I'm not trying to ) It's they way the ideas are expressed. That is how I can help you. :)

It is no surprise to me why a Torah Observant Jew would immediately reject what you're saying. The fact that you are creating this thread, and that in 15 years no Jewish person has alerted you to the way these words are printed in ink and pronounced should be evidence enough: People aren't listening, and they cannot see the beauty in your words. Why? It's not a curse. Your claims are rejected and the evidence is not "seen" because:

The approach I see you taking is coming from the perspective of "other gods / other nations":

I think it's a huge accomplishment that the most recent set of 12 verses you sent did not include a single quote from the NT. That's huge. Because as long as the NT is required in the proof... a Torah Observant Jew will reject it.

This is something I think I can help you with. I don't think you realize how much of the NT is woven into the evidence you provide. I'm hoping that thru this conversation I can help you identify when this occurs, so that in future proofs, you will be able to either avoid the connection to the NT, or change the way you present the data to make this connection more palatable to a Torah Observant Jew.

I'm offering to help, because, I like you Wiz. I have absolutely zero stake in this venture. I don't believe a word of any of what you're saying about Yeshua. I probably never will. But that doesn't mean I can't empathize with your position, see it from your point of view, and be friendly towards the points you would to present... I just see that you're struggling and I think I can help, at least when it comes to error checking your proofs and providing insight into how Jewish people may react to your words.

This is why, I respectfully object to the notion that my reaction to your evidence is somehow de-valuing it ( aka Throwing It Away )

This is not about throwing anything away. I mean... this is progress. You needed to know... the name of Yeshua is **NOT** woven throughout the entire Tanach. I think I have read something similar like that coming from you in other threads? Maybe this thread? in order to be taken seriously the statement would need to be adjusted to something like: "Yeshua's influence is woven throughout the entire Tanach." And then the evidence would need to be from The Torah exclusively to be respected. Doing so exposes a weakness in your argument, I am suggesting you make adjustments to offset those weaknesses. And that starts with finding those weak points. That's what I'm doing, and that;s how we got to this point of addressing the conjugation problem in your proof.

Do you see the difference? My suggestions will make your theories much more credible, IMHO. Do you agree?

The other issue, is... Esword, I think it is a crutch. I think it's holding you back. And I think it's contributing to the numerous faults in the conclusions in the "maths" you have provided. Even if you continue to use Esword as the beginning of your research, what ever you find needs to be error checked using actual knowledge of the Hebrew language. Then those errors can be offset **before** the material is presented as a discovery. If you present your ideas early... without error checking them.... well.... you know what happens if you try to defeat a big boss before leveling-up? If you want to share your ideas with "Rabbinic Jews", that's one of the biggest boss-puzzles in all of existence. I think you need to level-up by learning the Hebrew language and exploring other lexicon search SW in addition to Esword.

FWIW, I installed Esword, I looked around and tested the search features... I didn't like it. I found the hebrew search functions to be non-functional. Also... it's so Jesus-y. Wow. It;s not something that I would want on my laptop in an academic setting. It screams "I AM BIASED". However I do agree that the search function on the Hebrew lexicon app that I use is lacking wildcards and that's a problem. But I've always been able to accomplish the same searches you are doing here and in other threads using the Tanach App on my phone.

So Esword is not unique or special in the information it provides. Esword is not magic. It's not blessed or consecrated. It's not holy, it's SW. There are plenty of others out there, pick one that lets you search whole words in hebrew properly so that you can check your work, at least.. Or, if you are researching something, send me a PM. I'll look it up for you and help to verify that Esword is giving you accurate results. It's an open ended offer...

I think you mentioned that you're more familiar with greek and latin than Hebrew? And eventually you'll learn the hebrew alphabet??? Bro??? You simply must learn Hebrew if you want to work with the Tanach in this manner. Otherwise... errors... lots of errors....

If you have spent 15 years researching this without Hebrew, and I ( theoretically ) threw it away in 5 minutes, then that should be evidence enough. It would have been better to spend 5 years learning Hebrew and then 10 years researching your identity. Compare that to this situation where 15 years feels wasted.

But it's not wasted. Those 15 years are what brought you to this moment right now where you are ( hopefully ) going to be inspired to step back, regroup, adjust your methods, and re-calibrate your priorities.

In light of all of this, I hope you feel safe and welcome to present your discoveries here in this thread or elsewhere. I am not throwing anything away. OK?
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It is not a name, it is a concept of the Lords Salvation, the name is Yehoshua.

Instead of get confused by a spelling, we should look up a spelling for additional paraphrasing: lî-šū-‘ā-ṯə-ḵā
OK.

Good.

So now you have another 4 verses to work with. Mazel Tov!

But, I think it's important to point out that, this whole time I thought you were saying, "I am Yeshua". And that you meant, "My name is Yeshua". And because of that, this whole time, I was looking for evidence of connections to Yeshua as a proper name.

If I have been misunderstanding you this whole time, I certainly apologize.

However, it also indicates that your intended message could be expressed more clearly....
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
However, it also indicates that your intended message could be expressed more clearly....
The message is complex ideas: Isaiah 52:10 is about the salvation from God; Isaiah 52:7 is the King Messiah returned with the new name Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12).

Our name becomes a metaphor, and it isn't about finding a name in the texts, it is about understanding the contextual metaphors.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
We should not cause the concept of salvation to be turned into a man, like Christians do, as it is a form of idolatry (Psalms 118).

I'd personally only use the name Yehoshua, but because Judaism has messed up the naming; I'm currently using Yeshua as it is commonly recognized, whereas j+s+s is the 'shall + beast'...

Take into account in Revelation the world follows the beast ('jesus') rejecting the true Messiah; same happens in the Sefer of Zerubbabel - that the true Messiah Yehoshua is in Rome along side the false Stone statue Armilus...

Where Simon the stone (peter) created 'jesus' the idol, by not identifying salvation (H3444) in the Tanakh, yet only looking for the man instead (Matthew 16:23).
OK. Here, you departed from Torah to prove your point. I'm only pointing it out in light of my previous post. Are you aware of the Christian influence in the explanation you provided? You used the NT and the concept of the beast to prove the point.

I think honestly a common internal reaction from a Jewish person to this would be: "There's no such thing as a 'beast' this person is looney."

Any mention of 'beast' requires proof that such a thing exists. And assuming that a Jewish person believes in a "beast" is literally ignorant and potentially insulting. You need to know this. It's potentially insulting. I think it's a good example of what I was talking about before.

All I need to know is: "Yeshua is actually not a name. Yehoshua is your name, but you've been going by Yeshua to keep things simple."

That's it. Super simple.

Genesis 49:10 starts the code of a Messiah shall come, in coding these are called global variables: so it sets a variable, then fills it after....

We wait for the Messiah (Genesis 49:10), we wait for salvation (Genesis 49:18).

This is very weak evidence. Remember when we were talking about whether or not Yeshua was connected to Zecharia 11? Do you remember how each peice of evidence carried multiple assumptions along with it? And because of this one-to-many relationship the number of assumptions compounded with each additional piece of evidence?

That's where this is heading. We can map it out if you want.

The claim is: Genesis 49:10 starts the code of a Messiah shall come.

This ^^ doesn't even have Yeshua connected to it yet. I suggest that as an excersise, you take this claim and make a list, a simple list of all the source material you would need to prove this. The first is: Prove that a code exists in the Tanach. Most Jewish people do not believe that the Torah is coded. Not to mention... It requires knowledge of the Hebrew language.

Why does it reauire Hebrew. Because for a code to work, to prove a code exists... the proof has to be 100% perfect. Flawless. Else, a person can point to the outliers and say... Nope. It's not a code, it's a coincidence. Then they would point to the flaw in the proof and say, "see, it's not a code.".

You could call it a theme, not a code.... I'm just brainstorming...

What if the claim were adjusted to: "Genesis 49:10 starts the **Theme** of a Messiah shall come"?

You might be able to get some traction out of it? But at least it isn't immediately rejected. I mean, it's a little over-zealous to claim that there you have evidence of a code. I mean, your proofs have not been precise up to this point. You admitted it earlier in the thread. It;s just not realistic at this point in the debate for you to claim there is a code. You need to rebuild credibility first.

One thing that would have worked for me? Is taking this one step further and adding a qaulifer to the claim. Example?

I think that this is a true statement...

Claim: "Genesis 49:10 alludes to the beginning of a theme: a Messiah shall come"

True.

If you had said something like this, your credibility would have benefited. I would have been impressed. it demonstrates knowledge of the material, and a maturity that comes from knowing ones own limits. And it's true. It is easily proven. Bingo. Win-Win.

Instead you said this: "Genesis 49:10 starts the code of a Messiah shall come, in coding these are called global variables: so it sets a variable, then fills it after...."

That is a huge heavy claim, and you will need knowledge of the Hebrew language to prove it. You will need it to prove that a code exists. But you won't need it prove an allusion to a theme exists.

But let;s refocus back on the reason that Genesis 49:10 was introduced into this discussion. It was **supposed** to be used as evidence that the word Yeshua ( H3444 ) is significant beyond it's literal meaning. There is a way to use Genesis 49:10 to help advance your argument. It could be part of the proof if you utilize it properly.

I really want you to think about this, OK? Because I think this can really help you.

Look at the original claim... "Yeshua H3444 is significant beyond it's literal meaning" ( I'm paraphrasing )

Here is a logical chain ( aka evidence ) that could be brought that includes Genesis 49:10. It can work, see below.

"Genesis 49:10 alludes to the start of a theme of salvation via it's use of the sceptre/staff imagery. The sceptre and staff is alluding to The Messiah."

The chain begins: Genesis 49:10 >>> sceptre/staff imagery >>> The Messiah.

Then you could use other verses to bring the literal word yeshua into the dicsussion, Exodus 15:2 for example. Then the last part of the chain would be a link of Messiah to the word yeshua which can be done based on it's literal meaning, "salvation".

So the chain could be:

Genesis 49:10 >>> scepter/staff imagery >>> The Messiah >>> Concept of Salvation >>> The word H3444 >>> exodus 15:2.

This is shorthand, of course. If I were to write it out in english it would be several sentences maybe a paragraph. ( I can do that for you if it's helpful... as an example ). But the point is, Gen 49:10 can be useful at the beginning of the chain. But it's not helpful on it's own unqualified. And avoid the whole "code" thing. That's a distraction and I suspect it will degrade your arguments.


The Salvation from God is a promise from God, it is not a person, a thing, it is Source energy, like Teshuvah, Yeshua, Yesha, Shub, etc is all the spirit of this same energy; it exists in a form from the Oneness of God (H3444)...

This presence has been labelled Yeshua in Hebrew, this did mighty things in the Tanakh; the reason the Jews believe in God is because of this Salvation H3444:
  • it separated the Red Sea (Exodus 14),
  • it fought the Children of Ammon (2 Chronicles 20),
  • it was the force that destroyed other nations,
  • it defeated the Lethiathan (Psalms 74:12-14),
  • then because no man could bring salvation (Isaiah 59:16) through random sacrifice of sentient animals (Isaiah 1, etc),
  • God became our salvation by becoming David's flesh, and suffering for us as High Priest Yehoshua, to end sacrifice once and for all...
  • Whilst maintaining by praying in the name of the Lord Saves (Yehoshua), our prayers for repentance are granted (Yeshua).
  • Which is why in Isaiah 12:3, we will pour water out of the well of Salvation, and Zechariah 13:1 says David opens a well of cleansing sin.
I like it. it has potential as valid theory. Potential and Theory are the operative words.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It;s not something that I would want on my laptop in an academic setting.
What is your academic qualifications? As these ideas need submitting to academia; yet I'm not qualified to do any of this - it is like King David vs Goliath...

God asked me as a child to read religions; not have to study everyone's scholarship, else no one listens.
It's an open ended offer...
I appreciate our conversation so far, and the appraisal of faults, to help make a clear concise case, which is beneficial for everyone.

What I was referring to with throwing away, is never to assume whole sections of the case are false, before proceeding to study all details available.

It would be like seeing a huge algebra sum, seeing the corner 2+2=52, and going look that bit is wrong.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The message is complex ideas: Isaiah 52:10 is about the salvation from God; Isaiah 52:7 is the King Messiah returned with the new name Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12).

Our name becomes a metaphor, and it isn't about finding a name in the texts, it is about understanding the contextual metaphors.
I'm really glad that you brought this up.

I agree that it is 100% metaphorical. Bro. Use that. It's a

Metaphor.

Metaphor is not strong evidence of anything.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I think honestly a common internal reaction from a Jewish person to this would be: "There's no such thing as a 'beast' this person is looney."
Armilus in the Sefer of Zerubbabel qualifies as the Beast (j-s-s) in the Roman Catholic Church; Revelation identifies the same.

We need to educate everyone from a higher level of qualification to understand all of this; not assume it is crazy to fulfil messianic prophecy.
in coding these are called global variables: so it sets a variable, then fills it after...."

That is a huge heavy claim, and you will need knowledge of the Hebrew language to prove it.
Global variable - Wikipedia

The use of 'globals' in language is something we all typically do, we create ideas in a context, then add to that context by additional statements linking back to it.
And avoid the whole "code" thing. That's a distraction and I suspect it will degrade your arguments.
Thank you good point, I've been told I'm always spinning people out in religious chat rooms as well, as I've got a tendency to add advanced ideas from everywhere, and expect people to keep up.
Genesis 49:10 >>> scepter/staff imagery >>> The Messiah >>> Concept of Salvation >>> The word H3444 >>> exodus 15:2.
Yeah makes sense, and I understand adding additional fluff can spin people out.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What is your occupation?
Was a professional chef, DJ, percussionist, etc; then God asked me to talk with people about their books.

Everyone is always showing how I lack the skills to be a professional religious scholar, which is because I'm not; I'm a person sent from Heaven, with a name in religious texts globally.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
What is your academic qualifications?
Virtually none.

I never graduated even from college. I ran out of money and became an IT instructor.

In my 30s, my wife and I had a child. We are both ethnically Jewish ( my wife and I ) but neither of our parents are religious at all. They're basically Atheists. But my wife and I felt uncomfortable having children without at least having knowledge of our ethnic history and traditions. This inspired me to start learning about my heritage. In the process I found something beautiful in myself and in my roots and ever since I have been collecting books and learning and trying not to be annoying when I participate in High Level religious discussions with people who know more than me. But honestly, I think you and I are a lot alike.

Those are my qualifications. But honestly, I feel like you should be impressed that I can keep up with you at all.

Really it all boils down to 2 things:

Humility and Attention-to-detail.

Clearly you can pay attention to the details.... Humility, though.... I've read your threads...

Listen. I've had tons of wacky ideas about the Torah. The difference is, I listen to people who know more than me about the Hebrew Language. And those wacky ideas get abandoned.

It's not like I've always listened. believe me. It takes practice for someone like me. But that's how someone like me is able to learn without the benefit of a formal Jewish education. Listening. and that takes Humility.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Armilus in the Sefer of Zerubbabel qualifies as the Beast (j-s-s) in the Roman Catholic Church; Revelation identifies the same.

We need to educate everyone from a higher level of qualification to understand all of this; not assume it is crazy to fulfil messianic prophecy.
I have never heard of any of this. It sounds like "other nations / other gods". If it's not that then it's "adding to the Torah".

Can't be done without violating the text and becoming liable for the curses of Deut 28.

If a Torah Observant Jewish person accepts the Sefer ( aka Book ) of Zerubbabel as proof of the existence of a beast, then they are willfully accepting the possibility for all the curses. All of them. You know what's in that chapter.

Have I made my point? No **other/strange** anything is permissible. Sefer Zerubbabal is disqualified.

Besides, now you're inheriting the burden of proving the this new/other/strange book is true.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Thank you good point, I've been told I'm always spinning people out in religious chat rooms as well, as I've got a tendency to add advanced ideas from everywhere, and expect people to keep up.
Yeah, I can imagine how that would happen. Sounds like something I would do. :)
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
You really know how to zero in on underlying points and you're great at addressing them individually and in a very clear way.

It's kind of a shame you didn't grow up in my circles to have the opportunity to graduate to advanced Talmud study. I feel like you'd have appreciated the particular approach of this Rabbi very much.
On a good day? Maybe. But thank you for this compliment.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
If you have spent 15 years researching this without Hebrew, and I ( theoretically ) threw it away in 5 minutes, then that should be evidence enough. It would have been better to spend 5 years learning Hebrew and then 10 years researching your identity. Compare that to this situation where 15 years feels wasted.
As a child I had memories of Heaven, knew advanced details about the Bible, and that my name was in religious texts globally - yet wasn't sure.

Got asked at 15 years old by the Source of reality to read the religions - yet wasn't sure.

At 21 fulfilled Revelation 10 before having read the Bible on a sacred mountain; then had a NDE later that year as well.

At 24 started reading the Bible realizing the things had already happened in my life, and thus at 25 started showing the contradictions of John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter) - not really teaching that I'm fulfilment of prophecy directly, yet about the contradictions - as the world had already been deceived.

This is fulfilment of Biblical prophecy by the way that Christ comes as a thief (Revelation 16:15-16, Revelation 3:3); yet 'the 7th Beggar' which is a story by Rabbi Nachman is meant to discover the Messiah arguing with Christians in Rome, which we find in the Sefer of Zerubbabel:

This should have been 13 years ago, and the 7th Beggar as the Parable of Nachman goes, is deaf, dumb, and blind (Revelation 3:9-12), so he didn't notice 13 years ago that Sandalphon is similar to my name - of the one of the Archangels in Judaism, that is specifically been waited for (Sandalphon is deemed to be Elijah, who comes before the day of the Lord).

Only just learn about Sandalphon, and Zan (ציון ▬ צאן) Zion in the last few years, to show clearly where it says I'm King David returned...

So 'we're rooting' for someone to understand this correctly too... As I'm an artist, not an academic.
you need in order to make your claims more credible.
Appreciate we need to make it credible, and appreciate all the help; yet as an IT educator we understand that a coding system has a mechanism, if we follow outside of it, and the functionality fails, it is because we didn't follow the mechanism.

Please accept I'm a useless educator, as I expect people to know all requisites to what is being referenced; yet with the internet it gives people time to look things up, and to come to clearer equations when all data is supplied.
FWIW, I installed Esword, I looked around and tested the search features... I didn't like it. I found the hebrew search functions to be non-functional. Also... it's so Jesus-y.
Esword KJV+, HOT+, GreekABP+, KJV Concordance is needed to see all the interlinking Strongs indexing system.

We can not do Hebrew searches or Greek searches on words, as spelling of these languages implies rearrangement of the letters.

Whereas by Strongs reference numbers we get all known usages of the specific data field - this is similar to how a coder uses software to find all entries in the architecture of the code.

The idea the Bible opens on John 3:16 is offensive to us, as it tries to teach us 'Balaam teachings' (Micah 6:5-8, Jude 1:11, Revelation 2:14 - God doesn't require sacrifice).

Yet when we realize that Strongs H5580 is a grub 'jesus' and G5580 is 'false Christs', nothing happens by chance.

Learning to see the differences between an idol, and the Messiah that comes from God is the key to salvation (Isaiah 51:8).

We need Esword on the verse, so we can see how interlinking passages connect by objective links; so for example: H5580 Vs H3444... jesus Vs Yeshua.

Isaiah 51:8 KJV+ ForH3588 the mothH6211 shall eat them upH398 like a garment,H899 and the wormH5580 shall eatH398 them like wool:H6785 but my righteousnessH6666 shall beH1961 for ever,H5769 and my salvationH3444 from generationH1755 to generation.H1755

Whilst people are currently in rejection of basic sums, due to failures in previous comprehensions, we won't get any further with the complex equations, so we have to resolve some of these first.

Equation failures:

"jesus'y" is meant to be this way, the Tanakh prophesied it to be a corruption to test people (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, Isaiah 29:9-14).

That the Messiah needs to convince mankind to follow what God has already provided, because they're not wise enough to understand it on their own.

That me learning Ancient Hebrew, and Jewish ideas about the history of their religion, will convince them of me being sent from Heaven, with more concurrent knowledge.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
As a child I had memories of Heaven, knew advanced details about the Bible, and that my name was in religious texts globally - yet wasn't sure.

Got asked at 15 years old by the Source of reality to read the religions - yet wasn't sure.

At 21 fulfilled Revelation 10 before having read the Bible on a sacred mountain; then had a NDE later that year as well.

At 24 started reading the Bible realizing the things had already happened in my life, and thus at 25 started showing the contradictions of John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter) - not really teaching that I'm fulfilment of prophecy directly, yet about the contradictions - as the world had already been deceived.

This is fulfilment of Biblical prophecy by the way that Christ comes as a thief (Revelation 16:15-16, Revelation 3:3); yet 'the 7th Beggar' which is a story by Rabbi Nachman is meant to discover the Messiah arguing with Christians in Rome, which we find in the Sefer of Zerubbabel:

This should have been 13 years ago, and the 7th Beggar as the Parable of Nachman goes, is deaf, dumb, and blind (Revelation 3:9-12), so he didn't notice 13 years ago that Sandalphon is similar to my name - of the one of the Archangels in Judaism, that is specifically been waited for (Sandalphon is deemed to be Elijah, who comes before the day of the Lord).

Only just learn about Sandalphon, and Zan (ציון ▬ צאן) Zion in the last few years, to show clearly where it says I'm King David returned...

Reading this leaves me with one over-arching impression: This person is trying to figure out: "Who am I?"

The problem is: with those life experiences... it's virtually impossible to get clarity. I cannot imagine **ever** finding answers or figuring out fully the the true nature of my own existence. That's how I would feel, if I had lived the life you are describing.

Maybe that's the difference between being mortal and the eternal? Maybe being human means, we never really fully understand who we are? Maybe that's why I have trouble imaging what it's like to have those life experiences...

I guess what I'm saying is, what you're describing is hard to relate to, because... I'm only human...

But I have a ton of sympathy for you... it's just hard for me to actually relate to what you're saying.



'we're rooting' for someone to understand this correctly too... As I'm an artist, not an academic.

Appreciate we need to make it credible, and appreciate all the help; yet as an IT educator we understand that a coding system has a mechanism, if we follow outside of it, and the functionality fails, it is because we didn't follow the mechanism.

Please accept I'm a useless educator, as I expect people to know all requisites to what is being referenced; yet with the internet it gives people time to look things up, and to come to clearer equations when all data is supplied.

You're welcome. The IT background was really helpful, figuring this out, tbh. I guess, now that I think about it, I have my own unique life experiences which probably made it easier for me to read and understand what you were talking about.

The most important one being: I'm not emotionally invested in the subject matter. Think about it. I could care less whether you're The Messiah or not. It doesn't matter to me at all. So I can look at it objectively. But most people will have a very strong reaction. Same thing with "The Curse". I don't care if you say I'm cursed. I really don't care. But for most people, I think it's a pretty big insult.

So when those things are introduced into a debate... I mean, It's a little jarring for most...really, it's not that much different than saying, "Pleased to meet you, I'm The Messiah" in everyday conversation. Do you see what I mean? But for me, I really don't care. Like completely. You could be a green lesbian from mars... I. Don't. Care. Maybe I'm a little crazy... { shrugs }

It's the same thing with your name. I don't care if you have 1 million names. Just tell me what you want me to call you. Yehoshua, Yeshua, Yeshu, Yay-Yay. Whatever. Alex, Zander, Zan, Zion.... It doesn't phase me one bit. It doesn't mean the same thing to me. So it doesn't have the same impact. When you tell me your name, it probably feels... you know, special. But for me, it's just a name.

I don't know, I'm rambling...

Esword KJV+, HOT+, GreekABP+, KJV Concordance is needed to see all the interlinking Strongs indexing system.

We can not do Hebrew searches or Greek searches on words, as spelling of these languages implies rearrangement of the letters.

Whereas by Strongs reference numbers we get all known usages of the specific data field - this is similar to how a coder uses software to find all entries in the architecture of the code.

The idea the Bible opens on John 3:16 is offensive to us, as it tries to teach us 'Balaam teachings' (Micah 6:5-8, Jude 1:11, Revelation 2:14 - God doesn't require sacrifice).

Yet when we realize that Strongs H5580 is a grub 'jesus' and G5580 is 'false Christs', nothing happens by chance.

Learning to see the differences between an idol, and the Messiah that comes from God is the key to salvation (Isaiah 51:8).

We need Esword on the verse, so we can see how interlinking passages connect by objective links; so for example: H5580 Vs H3444... jesus Vs Yeshua.

Isaiah 51:8 KJV+ ForH3588 the mothH6211 shall eat them upH398 like a garment,H899 and the wormH5580 shall eatH398 them like wool:H6785 but my righteousnessH6666 shall beH1961 for ever,H5769 and my salvationH3444 from generationH1755 to generation.H1755

Whilst people are currently in rejection of basic sums, due to failures in previous comprehensions, we won't get any further with the complex equations, so we have to resolve some of these first.

Equation failures:

"jesus'y" is meant to be this way, the Tanakh prophesied it to be a corruption to test people (Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, Isaiah 29:9-14).

That the Messiah needs to convince mankind to follow what God has already provided, because they're not wise enough to understand it on their own.

That me learning Ancient Hebrew, and Jewish ideas about the history of their religion, will convince them of me being sent from Heaven, with more concurrent knowledge.

In my opinion. :innocent:

What I find interesting about this is... it lines up perfectly 1 to 1 with Messianic Judaism doesn't it? It seems like you would find a lot of support from them?
 
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