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Should Democrats censor Bernie Sanders for grilling an appointee over his basic Chrisitan beliefs?

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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whirlingmerc said:
Of course it is.
You can look at the chapter in John 3

Exactly what Bernie Sanders was attacking was Jesus discussion
of what he meant when he said John 3:16 and in partitcular John 3:18

In the end it suggests Bernie is Biblically illiterate BUT willing to pontificate... which is a really bad combination.
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You have yet to show that Bernie did this. As a result it looks like you are the Biblically illiterate one. You see there is this Commandment about bearing false witness against your neighbor.

Please quote and link where Bernie every attacked that verse.
 
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whirlingmerc

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Subduction Zone said:
You have yet to show that Bernie did this. As a result it looks like you are the Biblically illiterate one. You see there is this Commandment about bearing false witness against your neighbor.

Please quote and link where Bernie every attacked that verse.
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His line of questioning regarding Vought was exactly on the content of that verse and Jesus explanation concerning it.
 
tas8831

tas8831

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whirlingmerc said:
Is this par for the course for the 'new democrats' to make litmus tests for believing basic things Christians believed for thousands of years or is Bernie on his own in promoting anything that opposes his postmodern world views?

Does it even belong in politics?
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The irony is this post is staggering.
Bernie Sanders Grills Budget Nominee Russell Vought On Anti-Mu...

Bernie Sanders sounds pretty intolerant of people with Biblical Christian views, he would claim otherwise but he'd be mistaken.
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Surely, you are not of the opinion that Christians in politics are tolerant?
 
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whirlingmerc

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tas8831 said:
The irony is this post is staggering.

Surely, you are not of the opinion that Christians in politics are tolerant?
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The irony is that there is no discrimination in Vought position. In context ALL WERE CONDEMNED in John 3:16-18 and Jesus took the condemnation of some... so as Vought and Weaton and I and virtually all Christians would say:

All stand condemned before God and some forgiven in Christ
All being condemned suggests no discrimination as "All sinned and fall short of the glory of God'
Everyone in the same very large boat.

Perhaps Bernie should do a little research before condemning billions of Christians for their views (which are just Jesus original statements)
Bottom line Bernie was wrong.
Sadly no democrat manned up and told him so.
 
Willamena

Willamena

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Shad said:
Sanders is doing nothing more than demanding a religion, or sect, conform their views to his own ideas.
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Except that he explicitly denies that. I don't know what you're hearing, but he said nothing that implies that a religion or sect should conform their beliefs to his ideas. Rather, he called out a political leader on his conduct towards a religion.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Willamena said:
Except that he explicitly denies that.
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it is so much easier to attack Sanders for what he didn't do. I think that many of the Christians that attack him can see that the job candidate was being a jerk to a non-Christian. Perhaps they would like to be similar jerks and need an example to use to say that it is acceptable behavior.
 
Willamena

Willamena

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whirlingmerc said:
Bernie Sanders sounds pretty intolerant of people with Biblical Christian views, he would claim otherwise but he'd be mistaken.
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His only intolerance on display in all the videos posted is for political leaders who disrespect freedom of religion. A political leader has to be above such opinions.
 
Willamena

Willamena

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whirlingmerc said:
Personal views only? not exactly. But yes, those were the personal views of all Christians for several thousand years and now?
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Yes, personal views, as opposed to professional views. When the profession is about freedom of religion and separation of Church and State, as lawmakers' and politicians' (state) jobs are, then so are the professional views.
 
Willamena

Willamena

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PureX said:
I have long believed that people seeking a job as a public representative should be willing and able to set their position as "religious representative" aside while serving in that capacity. As one cannot serve two masters if those masters have opposing agendas. As such I have no problem with Sanders or anyone else attempting to determine if someone they are appointing to a representational position in public office is willing and able to do this.
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It's absolutely necessary, when you work in government, to recognize that you wear two hats--a private and a public one--and you can't wear them both at the same time.

Well said.
 
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