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Misandry (hatred for men) -It's causes and it's relation to Misogynism

exchemist

exchemist

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Father Heathen said:
For the longest of time they had significantly less rights and protections from discrimination, harassment, etc. But now that the field has started leveling out a bit you have a lot of these beta males feeling threatened by it.

A man secure in his masculinity wouldn't be bothered by the thought of women gaining equality.
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I tend to agree. However on reflection I wonder if LC's rather strange reference to "masculine" men being "working class" is a pointer to what may be going on here.

I think I have read that, for some working class men, their self-image is bound up with being the chief breadwinner for the family. Now that it is increasingly the case that the women work, and earn as much as the men or more, they feel their sense of self-worth to be diminished. A similar sort of psychological issue to that of men who are out of work for long periods - they look in the mirror and wonder who they are and what they can take pride in. (This may be partly why these people voted for Trump - an unashamed throwback to the old days when men were gorillas and ordered "their" women about.)

It seems to be less of an issue in the professional classes. I myself was married to a high-flying manager in Shell, who earned considerably more than I did. But it never bothered me. My own identity was in my particular technical specialism, my rowing, my singing - and our son of course. I certainly did not feel I was somehow less "masculine" for not doing a blue collar job!
 
Cooky

Cooky

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Father Heathen said:
For the longest of time they had significantly less rights and protections from discrimination, harassment, etc. But now that the field has started leveling out a bit you have a lot of these beta males feeling threatened by it.

A man secure in his masculinity wouldn't be bothered by the thought of women gaining equality.
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You might come to realize one day, that the females you've provided for over many, many years, don't value you're life or well being all that much as you thought, but instead, value first and foremost the possessions you provided for them -when you feel that pain, that loss, you might second guess your opinion.

...Essentially, I'm talking about women who generally *don't like* men, and especially feel giving men credit of any kind, simply because they're men, is a worthless endeavor in itself.
 
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Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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exchemist said:
I tend to agree. However on reflection I wonder if LC's rather strange reference to "masculine" men being "working class" is a pointer to what may be going on here.

I think I have read that, for some working class men, their self-image is bound up with being the chief breadwinner for the family. Now that it is increasingly the case that the women work, and earn as much as the men or more, they feel their sense of self-worth to be diminished. A similar sort of psychological issue to that of men who are out of work for long periods - they look in the mirror and wonder who they are and what they can take pride in. (This may be partly why these people voted for Trump - an unashamed throwback to the old days when men were gorillas and ordered "their" women about.)

It seems to be less of an issue in the professional classes. I myself was married to a high-flying manager in Shell, who earned considerably more than I did. But it never bothered me. My own identity was in my particular technical specialism, my rowing, my singing - and our son of course. I certainly did not feel I was somehow less "masculine" for not doing a blue collar job!
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The irony is that most working class families can't survive with only a single "bread winner" due to the economic consequences of platforms that they themselves voted for.
 
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Cooky

Cooky

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exchemist said:
I tend to agree. However on reflection I wonder if LC's rather strange reference to "masculine" men being "working class" is a pointer to what may be going on here.
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Don't you dare. I've asked you not to make this about me, so please don't. See the last line in post 18.

...We're not playing the call-out game today.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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Landon Caeli said:
You might come to realize one day, that the females you've provided for over many, many years, don't value you're life or well being all that much as you thought, but instead, value first and foremost the possessions you provided for them -when you feel that pain, that loss, you might second guess your opinion.

...Essentially, I'm talking about women who generally *don't like* men, and especially feel giving men credit of any kind, simply because they're me, is a worthless endeavor in itself.
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We can learn to identify and avoid toxic people as we develop our tastes, standards, and judge of character though life's experiences.
I've had some bad relationships before, especially when I was young and dumb, but I didn't blame every female ever. You learn what the red flags are and move on.
As for women who hate men; that's their problem to stew in. Why would you be bothered by it unless it was effecting your life somehow?
 
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Father Heathen said:
We can learn to identify and avoid toxic people as we develop our tastes, standards, and judge of character though life's experiences.
I've had some bad relationships before, especially when I was young and dumb, but I didn't blame every female ever. You learn what the red flags are and move on.
As for women who hate men; that's their problem to stew in. Why would you be bothered by it unless it was effecting your life somehow?
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Well, we can say that about all topics can't we? That if it's not effecting our life somehow then why discuss it... But how much more knowledgeable will we be with that attitude?
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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Landon Caeli said:
Well, we can say that about all topics can't we? That if it's not effecting our life somehow then why discuss it... But how much more knowledgeable will we be with that attitude?
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I didn't suggest that we couldn't or shouldn't discuss it, but why be so troubled by it is what I ask.
 
PureX

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AT-AT said:
A feminist once got mad at me for liking the show Big Bang Theory, citing how Sheldon bosses Amy.
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How did you determine that this person was a "feminist"?

The reason I ask is that Bill O'Reilly used to bring the Rev. Al Sharpton onto his program all the time and introduce him as a "liberal spokesman". And yet, as far as I am aware, there had never been any meeting among the liberal minds of the day that agreed to appoint the Rev. Al Sharpton as their spokesperson. But there he was, show after show, being skewered and humiliated by the mighty verbal gladiator of right wingnut politics, Bill O'Reilly, as he sleugh that straw-liberal effigy over and over again, to the howling delight of his ignorant, semi-literate audience, and no doubt to the delight of his personal accountant, too.

It's easy to hang labels on things, and on people. To easy, I think.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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AT-AT said:
A feminist once got mad at me for liking the show Big Bang Theory, citing how Sheldon bosses Amy.
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There are feminists who oppose SpaceX for "spreading patriarchy into space" and who oppose paternity tests because it "disempowers women". There was even a feminist who accused another feminist of being "racist" for being critical of rap music for being too materialistic and misogynistic. Every group has their fringe loons but they're not representative of the whole. Some are simply vindictive and seek vengeance over justice, seek partiality over equality, and see liberty as an obstacle rather than as an avenue.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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Landon Caeli said:
You might come to realize one day, that the females you've provided for over many, many years, don't value you're life or well being all that much as you thought, but instead, value first and foremost the possessions you provided for them -when you feel that pain, that loss, you might second guess your opinion.

...Essentially, I'm talking about women who generally *don't like* men, and especially feel giving men credit of any kind, simply because they're men, is a worthless endeavor in itself.
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But who are these women? I've never met anyone like that. You speak as if there is a whole sub-class of them out there, all hating men. Where?

I've read tiresome newspaper columnists with a permanent anti-man schtick, but then newspaper columnists are often paid to be outrageous, to fill up the letters page.

It is not easy to analyse the motivations of some putative group of people of whom one has no real experience.
 
BSM1

BSM1

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Revoltingest said:
Aye, to be for equality makes one a non-feminist.
To be in the club on RF, it's much more about seeing women as
victims. As I was informed by one, libertarians cannot be feminist
because we'd allow women to become or hire prostitutes.

Btw, I took an on-line test, which found me around 95% feminist.
(I scored higher than some who were allowed in the forum.)
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I'd figure you'd fail the "Go make me a sammich..." section.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Landon Caeli said:
...Does anyone really doubt that women are the favored sex in Western civilization..?
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I do. I mean, I don't really like such an un-nuanced take in any case. So...for example...if you flipped it and said 'Does anyone really doubt that men are the favoured sex in Western Civilisation..?' I'd still disagree.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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columbus said:
Really dude, I'm totally with you.

I got booted out of the RF "Feminist only" forum because I only identify with "equal rights for all", not Feminism. Feminism isn't about equality.
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Well...to be fair, that makes you egalitarian, not feminist.
 
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