Erebus
Well-Known Member
No, you don't understand how this works. You're only triggered if you're a liberal. If you're a conservative then you're telling it like it is.
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"Baby Trump" Balloon stabbed and deflated at Alabama event
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No, you don't understand how this works. You're only triggered if you're a liberal. If you're a conservative then you're telling it like it is.
You can say whatever makes you happy.
Cooky
Veteran Member
No, not everything is subjective, we need to reach a conclusion that is reasoned and logical.
No it isn't.
You think my mom is a murderer? Seriously?
She got an abortion because her child implanted in her Fallopian tube, in the early 50s.
Tom
Cooky
Veteran Member
You think my mom is a murderer? Seriously?
She got an abortion because her child implanted in her Fallopian tube, in the early 50s.
Tom
Nope.
Abortion is not murder, because murder Is a legal term, and fetuses are not considered persons by the law.
...just like people who don’t get caught committing crimes are not actual criminals unless convicted by a court of law.
You could make your apology(if it was one) sound more sincere by explaining what you meant by criminal.Nope.
Tom
That would be a first.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yeah, I picked up on that double standard.
Also, conservatives don't understand that "triggered" refers to PTSD induced panic attacks, not rage.
But that's a lack of education for you.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Dead wrong. Till tried and convicted one is an alleged criminal, but because of the presumption of innocence, not legally a criminal .
As one who claims to be a Canadian, your ignorance of American law, shows you definitely are.
Why comment on something you know nothing about ?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Baby Trump? nOOOOOOO!!!!!UPDATE: ‘Baby Trump’ deflates in Ala. while president cheered by crowd
Well, I guess it does look kind of sad lying on the ground like that.
But apparently, the balloon was slashed and deflated before the game started.
This article had more info on the perpetrator: https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...d-baby-trump-balloon-during-alabama-lsu-game/
He said he would do it again.
I LIKED Baby Trump. It's the coolest thing from the left. He put a smile on my face everyday!
Rip bubble boy. *Sniff*
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Nope. Any and all are presumed innocent till proven guilty in court, or in the case of impeachment, in the senate.
Once again, you are hopelessly wrong.
Lol reminds me of the sayingI dunno, I’ve broken some laws and never got caught. Nobody says I’m a criminal, so...
it’s only illegal if you get caught.
But being Australian I’m sort of obligated to at least be a little bit of a criminal, I suppose
Rip has never been more appropriate.
But have no fear, I am sure Baby Trump will be resurrected one way or the other. It is just too effective and profitable to let go.
So, if someone kills their spouse they aren't a criminal until they are convicted? And if they get off on some technicality, they aren't a criminal? Even though they murdered their spouse?
Seriously?
Tom
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Not here, it doesn't. Breaking the law only makes one a criminal if one is convicted of breaking the law. As in....'you did it, we proved it in court, you are a criminal." It's that 'innocent until proven guilty' problem that liberals right now seem to have such difficulty with.
If you want to keep to the guilty until proven innocent' thing you seem to have going, stick to the Napoleonic model...or the current French model in relation to terrorism.
Only in liberalland does that work in politics.
I remember when right wingers could describe how principled and ethical their leaders were.
... and I would often agree with them. Even if I didn't share their values, I could agree that those right wing leaders were putting those values into practice in a principled way.
Don't you remember this? Aren't you embarrassed that the right's standards have sunk from principled ethics to "you can't call him a criminal because he hasn't been convicted yet?"
So you'll agree that Hitler and Stalin were innocent, having never been convicted in a USA court??
Seriously?
Tom
So where did Trump's "Lock her up" rally chant come from?
Liberalland?
I think Trump is a progressive, but I don't really think of him as as a liberal.
Tom
There has to be a word for the philosophy being proposed here. I wanted to call it “legalism”, but that term has a slightly different definition.
I propose the term “legaltism”. “Legaltism” is the idea that reality is not reality unless it is substantiated by a court of law. An example of legaltism would be that OJ did not murder his ex wife because the jury found him not guilty.
But in reality she is still dead, and OJ did kill her.
shmogie
Well-Known Member
Yep, seriously. I know of at least two women who killed their abusive husband and boyfriend while the men slept. Their counsels cobbled together a self defense plea, that the juries bought, they are totally free today.
The law doesn´t see technicalities, it just sees the law. If it is not properly applied, to protect the accused, and the court finds it egregious, the suspect walks, or so much evidence is found inadmissable, the suspect walks.
Legally none of the people in the examples are criminals. They have not been convicted by a jury of their peers of a crime.
Legally, OJ Simpson is not a criminal, though I know he is. I followed the trial, but more especially the evidence, and there is no doubt. Yet, a jury of his peers acquitted him. I won a bet from a colleague who said the evidence was so overwhelming he could never get off. I said he would walk.
So, the mop flops, and people with no criminal records, that, from our observations are criminals, walk freely among us.
Call one a criminal, or say so in print, could get you hauled into court for libel or slander.
In the final analysis, the law determines who is a criminal, not our feelings or opinions.