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Are the Rabbinic Jews Unknowingly Rejecting God According to the Texts?

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Considering it says that the Spirit of Salvation (Teshuvah) is placed into Zion (Isaiah 46:13), you'd think people would be paying more attention to our every word, as the return of King David, Yehoshua, Zion Elohim.

Are you making the connection between Teshuvah and Yeshua based on how the words are pronounced? If you look at the spelling, Teshuvah is missing the ayin. That's pretty important for anything related to anointing...

Teshuvah: תשובה / root: Shin-Vav-Vet
Yeshua: ישועה / root: Yud-Shin-Ayin

Further, on a conceptual basis: Teshuvah is not salvation. Salvation is help from above ( like the anointing oil pouring down ). Teshuvah is a person "turning around" ( in hebrew Shin-Vav-Vet ) their own behavior. Salvation is external. Teshuvah is internal. ( however most folks interested in Teshuvah are also looking for help from above, but I digress )
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
With a Hebrew Old Testament + and Hebrew Old Testament; we can search single letters without any vowels, to completely test the Ancient Hebrew language functionalities.
Have you tried it? It didn't work for me...

Edit: only single letters?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Are you making the connection between Teshuvah and Yeshua based on how the words are pronounced?
Ancient Hebrew is a pictographic writing, where symbols added to a word imply its story.

Shuvah I Understand in words like Yesha - to save, Yeshua - Salvation, to be the spirit of sanctification from God...

When it is enclosed inside the posts of words like Teshuvat, it becomes what the spirit shall become sanctified within.

To only deal with a pronunciation, and not check the workings wouldn't be logical.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

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Premium Member
Edit: only single letters?
You'll need a very fast computer, as it takes ages to search all the Tanakh for every instances of certain letters...

I'm often doing two letter word searches, to understand how it is a pictographic system, not a tri-root like the Arabic as has been summarized by scholarship.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The coronation system mentions anointing (2 Kings 11:12, 2 Chronicles 23:11); yet not sure anyone understands that the Holy Anointing Oil needs to contain cannabis to be made properly (Exodus 30:23-25).

As I'm sure has been pointed out before, kings and priests were anointed. Being anointed != Messiah. Maybe anointed is a messiah ( lower case m based on the word moshiach in hebrew ), but it doesn't go past that. uhhhh, right?

Regarding the cannabis claim. I was about to ask you how much you know about the subject; but, on second thought... heehee, I'll just share what I know.

My friend, it is highly unlikely that the anointing oil included cannabis. If you would like me to detail the reasons why; let me know, and I'll post my opinion on the subject in the other thread that you linked to, OK?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Ancient Hebrew is a pictographic writing, where symbols added to a word imply its story.

Shuvah I Understand in words like Yesha - to save, Yeshua - Salvation, to be the spirit of sanctification from God...

When it is enclosed inside the posts of words like Teshuvat, it becomes what the spirit shall become sanctified within.

To only deal with a pronunciation, and not check the workings wouldn't be logical.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Yeah, I know, but the pictographic writing is very different and they are conceptually opposite. Teshuvah is not being saved.

Teshuvah is swimming to shore. Yeshua is being thrown a life preserver.
 

wizanda

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Premium Member
Yeah, I know, but the pictographic writing is very different and they are conceptually opposite. Teshuvah is not being saved.

Teshuvah is swimming to shore. Yeshua is being thrown a life preserver.
These are not opposite, they all come from the Oneness of one Source...

Don't limit the perspective by looking so close; climb the mountain, and see the woods for the trees.
Maybe anointed is a messiah
The candle design in Exodus 25:31-40 specifically states to match the Canna leave, which is then used in the Holy Anointing Oil (Exodus 30:23-25).

In Zoroastrianism they had Haoma, Hinduism had Soma, and Buddha had Bhang.

All prophets had cannabis in their diet, it is neurologically required to not have malnutrition for the brain, as it needs regulated omega oils which are actively found in cannabis.

Humans have an endocannabinoid system, like we're literally hardwired to need it as part of our food; hemp is the best form of protein, and the best brain food, etc.

Thus when prophets had weed they were inspired to write divine poetry, as they connected to the Source within.
I was about to ask you how much you know about the subject
As a shaman who goes back to before Atlantis, with many flashback memories of having taught this knowledge throughout time...Before reading the Bible a Red Robin called me Adoni Melchizedek.

The Showbread was psychedelic as well, made from sprouted grains, which causes natural ergot in the bread; it is then baked specifically to kill any poisoning, like the Greeks also did with Kykeon, Egyptians with Blue Lotus, etc, at these times in history we had a direct communication with the Divine.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Spartan

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Jews didn't believe that Jesus was God. The Jewish believers thought Jesus was the Messiah and the Son of man/God. The idea that Jesus was God came much later in the second century Gentile church, which generally speaking ran with Modalism -- we know this because bishops like Tertullian argued against it.

No. The deity of Jesus is seen in all four 1st century Gospels and various epistles - also 1st century.

And there were plenty of Jewish conversion to Christ even in Jesus' day and just following the resurrection. To claim all Jews did not believe in the deity of Jesus requires a complete knowledge of everyone's Jewish mind back then, which isn't possible. It's entirely possible a great many Messianic Jews did believe in the deity of Jesus.
 
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Spartan

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Christianity was first established in Antioch to Paul, and Simon the stone (peter's) ministry (Acts 11:25-26), it was against the more Jewish Ebionites the followers of Yeshua (Zechariah 11:11), who did not accept human sacrifice.

No. Christ had already come and completed his ministry before Saul/Paul even realized what happened. It was only then Paul had his 'Road to Damascus' conversion when Jesus confronted him.[/QUOTE]
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@wizanda ,

There's a lot to go over in the last post. I hope you don't mind that I go topic to topic and respond to each?

These [Teshuvah and Yeshua] are not opposite, they all come from the Oneness of one Source... Don't limit the perspective by looking so close; climb the mountain, and see the woods for the trees.

I'm sorry, but, you're not being fair. This is a double standard. Your evidence for connecting Teshuvah and Yeshua comes from a "looking close perspective". See below:

When [Yesha] is enclosed inside the posts of words like Teshuvat, it becomes what the spirit shall become sanctified within.

Do you see what I mean? This ^^ is your justification from a scriptural perspective. And it comes from a zoomed-in focus. That means that refutation should be acceptable coming from a similar POV?

This is why it is unfair and represents a double standard to dismiss this refutation. ( not to mention that that 'Yesha' **is not included** in 'Teshuvah' at all )

The candle design in Exodus 25:31-40 specifically states to match the Canna leave, which is then used in the Holy Anointing Oil (Exodus 30:23-25).

I thought you just asked me to zoom out? o_O:confused:

But OK, I'll zoom in and look at the details:

Please provide the specific words in Exodus 25 that match the Canna leaf?

I reviewed it myself, and I'm not seeing it. Even if I relax the constraint ( which you provided ) of "specifically stated" and zoom out; I do not see serrated cannabis leafs being incorporated into the design of The Menorah. It's elemnets are smooth and made from single peices of metal. All cannabis leafs have the same charateristic serrated edges. Take away the serrated leaf, and it doesn't look like cannabis anymore. Not serrated. Not cannabis. That's my position. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

In Zoroastrianism they had Haoma, Hinduism had Soma, and Buddha had Bhang.

( going back to the OP ) Relevance for a Rabbinic Jew?

All prophets had cannabis in their diet, it is neurologically required to not have malnutrition for the brain, as it needs regulated omega oils which are actively found in cannabis.

Humans have an endocannabinoid system, like we're literally hardwired to need it as part of our food; hemp is the best form of protein, and the best brain food, etc.

Wiz, buddy, pal... :)

Given the data you have provided, how credible is the claim "All prophets had cannabis in their diet"? Please?

I think this is something that I can 'reject' in good conscience.

Thus when prophets had weed they were inspired to write divine poetry, as they connected to the Source within.

Nope. There's no way, based on what you said. It really is quite illogical. The whole theory collapses as soon as you claim that the prophets were under the influence.

( and this is why I doubted if you were knowledgeable about cannabis )

Let's look first at cannabis oil.

Cannabis doesn't work the way you are describing. Cannabis oil is not psychotropic topically. At best, it's used for arthritis, but that's when the oil is closer to 70% pure. The proportions in Exodus max out at 50%, and that doesn't include the hin oil as a solvent. Mind altering effects from the anointing oil is not possible even at this maximum concentration. But it wouldn't be anywhere near 50%... Today's commercial cannabis contains max 30% THCA. So the actual concentration ( again using today's cannabis, not ancient cannabis ) of the active ingredient actually maxes out at 15% ( again ignoring the hin of oil which is added on top of that ). The result would be an oil with a very low concentration of the active ingredient that provides limited pain relief much less anything that could be defined as mind altering or even inspiring poetic or musical creativity.

Further, if the intention was to have a mind altering/expanding experience from cannabis it would need to be in the incense. Right? Maybe it was in the show-bread??? Maybe. But, it would make a lot more sense to put it in the incense... But the mysterious cinnamon spice ( which you claim to be cannabis ), isn't included in the description for the incense in the Tanach just a few verses later.

The only plausible explanation ( if you want to maintain the claim that קנמן בשם = cannabis ) is that the oil was not mind altering. As soon as the claim is made that the prophets were getting high; then the argument falls apart because cannabis does not render mind altering effects in this context.

What does this mean? If קנמן בשם = cannabis; then cannabis is included in the oil but not in the incense. That doesn't make sense if the prophets were under the influence. Therefore, it is illogical to say both "קנמן בשם = cannabis" and "the prophets were under the mind altering effects of THC".

Either one might be true ( highly unlikely but possible ); but you can't have both and be using the Hebrew in The Torah to make your case.

As a shaman who goes back to before Atlantis, with many flashback memories of having taught this knowledge throughout time...Before reading the Bible a Red Robin called me Adoni Melchizedek.

If the argument has merit; it has merit on its own, independent of your divine status and multiple mortal lifetimes. Do you agree? How much of your claims are based on scriptural evidence vs. accepting your authority over the data?
The Showbread was psychedelic as well, made from sprouted grains, which causes natural ergot in the bread; it is then baked specifically to kill any poisoning, like the Greeks also did with Kykeon, Egyptians with Blue Lotus, etc, at these times in history we had a direct communication with the Divine.
It's possible. But it's hard to believe without support.





 
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wizanda

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Premium Member
( going back to the OP ) Relevance for a Rabbinic Jew?
The appraisal in the OP is built on the hypothesis that the religions globally once stated they were all One...

Rabbinic Judaism has stepped outside of the Holy Cannabis use since Babylon, and replaced it with alcohol - which used to be frown upon in the tent meetings.

Yet also in all 4 major religions all entheogens have been mistranslated out of the text globally, no one knows what Kaneh bosem, Haoma, Soma are or that Buddha clearly had Bhang.
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How much of your claims are based on scriptural evidence vs. accepting your authority over the data?
As a 4-5 year old I knew I was sent from Heaven with my name in the world's religious texts, I waited until studying before stepping forward, I like data to be consistent.

At 13-14 I skived off school and went to the county library instead to study cannabis within religion, as I was told the opposite to my own prophetic understanding of it being in the Bible, and I couldn't prove it until the internet, and learning about Dr Sula Benet.

The other thing I learned was the molecular structure of THC is fat soluble, which causes the Holy Anointing oil if refined correctly to become a compound, so that all the healing elements within the plants will absorb through the skin.

Thus for me it is easy to understand that in ancient religions, we were aware that these sacred herbs healed, which is why we had a cannabis leave candle; until Babylon replaced it with alcohol, which dulled the brains of our people.
Further, if the intention was to have a mind altering/expanding experience from cannabis it would need to be in the incense. Right?
It isn't about getting high, it was used for ceremonial connection to the Divine in all these ancient religions.

Certain cannabinoid receptors are activated by the cannabis, which makes us have an introspective meditation state; if the brain doesn't have omega oils it can over fire causing illogical processing.

Applying it to the hair to be anointed means it soaks in what is required as food, yet without making people feel overly high.

It also then has the potential benefit of healing many illnesses, as Yeshua and his disciples showed (Mark 6:13, James 5:14).
Do you see what I mean?
Yes I see the different perspectives we have, we'll need to go over the pictographic aspects more later, as you're looking for full words instead of how the symbols are the same.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
How much of your claims are based on scriptural evidence vs. accepting your authority over the data?

As a 4-5 year old I knew I was sent from Heaven with my name in the world's religious texts, I waited until studying before stepping forward, I like data to be consistent.

At 13-14 I skived off school and went to the county library instead to study cannabis within religion, as I was told the opposite to my own prophetic understanding of it being in the Bible, and I couldn't prove it until the internet, and learning about Dr Sula Benet.

The other thing I learned was the molecular structure of THC is fat soluble, which causes the Holy Anointing oil if refined correctly to become a compound, so that all the healing elements within the plants will absorb through the skin.

Thus for me it is easy to understand that in ancient religions, we were aware that these sacred herbs healed, which is why we had a cannabis leave candle; until Babylon replaced it with alcohol, which dulled the brains of our people.

The THC chemistry is interesting; I'm sure it would be welcomed with open arms by many people if it's scientifically viable.

But I was asking about the value that is assigned to the scriptural dimension of your arguments vs. the value that is assigned to your own self-identified authority. And I don't think you answered the question.

Maybe it would be easier to put it into numbers? Is it 50/50? 50% scriptural data / 50% your messianic identity? It would be nice to get a direct answer on this.

Thank you,
 

wizanda

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Premium Member
But I was asking about the value that is assigned to the scriptural dimension of your arguments vs. the value that is assigned to your own self-identified authority. And I don't think you answered the question.

Maybe it would be easier to put it into numbers? Is it 50/50? 50% scriptural data / 50% your messianic identity?
The maths is generally over 82% certitude based on data within the texts, that can be logistically shown, before I will speak on something...

If I have error in appraisal I appreciate constructive criticism, and always have great faith I don't know, there are always alternative arguments (Proverbs 18:17).

It was answered by the way: in how many years I've waited to talk to people properly about some of the data I knew as a 5-6 year old child; yet then needed more evidence before discussing it, which was told would happen at 25...

Now 15 years later of discussing online, and studying religions globally, has led to enough data to prove it with over 95% accuracy for me...

Having the new name of the Messiah shouldn't mean anyone has the rights to dictate other people's mathematical equations; the data should always be able to show the equations (Exegesis).

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
If I have error in appraisal I appreciate constructive criticism

Here's something that may be useful.

What if the 18% inaccuracy most often occurs at the end of the chain of logic? This would explain why the conclusions at the end of a claim/argument are the least accurate.

Thoughts?
 

wizanda

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Premium Member
would you please elaborate on these ( Exodus 25:31-40 ) verses?
Maybe shouldn't have said 'it specifically matches the Canna leave' (H7070)... It reminds me of it, and thus I identified this is what they were making a reference to in the candle design.

As if we can see it used as a sacred offering in Isaiah 43:24, and a trade good in Jeremiah 6:20; the symbolism was everywhere, like Kaneh (H7071) was called that for growing cannabis for trade, etc.

The forefathers all grew hemp, and it is one of the oldest cultivated crops; so its cultivation wasn't frowned upon before Nixon's war on drugs.
I asked about this earlier, but didn't receive an answer.
Sorry had typed a whole section on the reply last night, and clicked next page on my gaming mouse, so lost what was typed, then had to go out...

Done more study to give a better answer; so everything for a reason.
What if the 18% inaccuracy most often occurs at the end of the chain of logic? This would explain why the conclusions at the end of a claim/argument are the least accurate.
Generally the most accidents happen closest to home, as we become careless in easy tasks.

There is never 100% in my maths, only the Source of reality has that, we all have lower than 99% on anything.

Then on summarizing 82% is that I know the data supplied gives a variable value of over 50%, so we can show something is clearly more likely...

Once establishing over 50% it is that certain criteria are fulfilled, 60% means I'm well aware that the data supplied is undisputable, 70% that the case is so logical we would debate it, and 82% generally means people would have to be dumb to reject it; unfortunately by the time we get to 82% foolish people argue all day, because they can't understand the maths without study.

It is possible for all of us to jump ahead of ourself to an end conclusion; I've just done it on the Canna leave being stated as part of the design; it was a leap of bad maths.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Generally the most accidents happen closest to home, as we become careless in easy tasks.

There is never 100% in my maths, only the Source of reality has that, we all have lower than 99% on anything.

Then on summarizing 82% is that I know the data supplied gives a variable value of over 50%, so we can show something is clearly more likely...

Once establishing over 50% it is that certain criteria are fulfilled, 60% means I'm well aware that the data supplied is undisputable, 70% that the case is so logical we would debate it, and 82% generally means people would have to be dumb to reject it; unfortunately by the time we get to 82% foolish people argue all day, because they can't understand the maths without study.

It is possible for all of us to jump ahead of ourself to an end conclusion; I've just done it on the Canna leave being stated as part of the design; it was a leap of bad maths.

In my opinion. :innocent:

OK. The simple answer to the OP is this. Rabbinic Jews knowingly reject anything that is not 100% kosher. It is inappropriate and insulting for anyone to ask them to do otherwise.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I asked about this earlier, but didn't receive an answer. Respectfully, would you please elaborate on these ( Exodus 25:31-40 ) verses?
Maybe shouldn't have said 'it specifically matches the Canna leave' (H7070)... It reminds me of it, and thus I identified this is what they were making a reference to in the candle design.

Here's what many deem to be and accurate picture of what is described by the text.

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(source)

from your link... H7070 = Reeds.

Not Cannabis.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Rabbinic Jews knowingly reject anything that is not 100% kosher. It is inappropriate and insulting for anyone to ask them to do otherwise.
Understandably every religion wants to believe that they are 100% aligned with what the Source ordains as Laws; yet if people are not going to be consistent with checking all potential data, how can they ever be more than 50/50 on a guess.

So if we can show that even on the word Kosher, originally in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 1:29) we were told to be frugivore, which is biologically right, and we lived much longer... Then we started eating meat, and our lives were shortened.

By studying all the religions on any concept, we can test logically what were God's Laws overall, and then we can build policy on the bigger complete picture, rather than to get confused by Chinese Whispers over time.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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