Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Yes. It will be quite interesting in the next coming weeks. I think it's popcorn time!
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Poll: One in Four Americans still undecided on impeachment
- Thread starter Stevicus
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Evidence is one thing, but impeachworthiness is another.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be. Rather, I addressed
the leftish movement to impeach long before there was any
evidence of a crime, eg, his serving Putin. It was a goal in
search of a legally useful basis.
The standards for impeachworthiness are so subjective that
even expert opinions are just personal opinions. So I look at
the situation as being a question of usefulness.
When members of someone's political party offers an opinion opposed to the leader, it's more than just a "personal opinion".
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Yes. It will be quite interesting in the next coming weeks. I think it's popcorn time!
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I think it will ultimately turn out like this:
- Democrats will impeach no matter what
- Republicans will not
- Democrats that voted not to impeach will be spun by some media outlets that they did it out of care and fear that it would be too divisive.
-Republicams that voted for impeachment will be spun in some media outlets as being brave because they broke ranks and stood up to Trump.
- 2020 election will be very close but Trump may very well take it again as the impeachment process and all the other failed attempts to destroy his presidency only galvanized voters.
-Democrats will have run out of people to blame for their loss and may actually realize they did this to themselves.
I will skip the popcorn as I think I have already seen this movie.
No, because of the subjectivity it's still just that.
But it is indeed telling about the leader's popularity
& opinions about wrongfulness.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
I kind'a agree.
- The House will produce the impeachment inquiry result, which will be the recommendation for removing Trump.
- The Senate won't get majority to take any action at all, because all Republicans are too afraid to challenge Don "Godfather" Trump. So the end result of it will be "no action".
- However, there won't be any Repub's voting for impeachment. Not a single one. They all have formed a cult-following to the Don.
- I do think Trump will take it again, and he will immediately start trying to create executive orders and manipulate the GOP to create rules to stop any further impeachment attempt
- The Dems won't try to impeach again after they realize the Church of Don won't admit fault or error for anything. The 5th Ave argument will continue.
- The popcorn is for the drama storm, the reality show called "The President" season 4. The outcome will be boring and predictable, but it's the journey, the show in between that will require some popcorn and beer.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Is it all worth it though? We are paying the bill for what I see as nothing more than political theatre.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I think it will pretty much turn out to be a strictly partisan affair, and when the Senate fails to convict, that'll be the end of that.
I suppose the Democrats could then target Republican senators who voted in favor of Trump and try to gain a few seats in 2020, perhaps enough for a majority. So, if Trump is re-elected, they can try again and possibly have a majority in the Senate.
But it's possible that the Democrats might be able to pull out a squeaker and win the White House, but a lot can happen between now and then. It's only 362 days left until Election Day.
48 days until Christmas. 39 days until Beethoven's birthday. Just in case anyone is counting.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
It's been political theater for quite some time. Basically, what we see is how a system grows in complexity and eventually gets so convoluted that it won't be anything but a spectacle.
I agree with this for the most part, but you are missing an important step.
As the Democrats impeach Trump
In the house they will be presenting a great deal of evidence to to American public, information that not everyone knows.
There are still a lot of people out there who don’t really know what this is all about. There are even some people who believe Trump when he says there was no quid pro quo. They will see multiple witnesses and evidence saying there was.
That is what this is about, exposing the truth.
averageJOE
zombie
Well...what WE think about impeachment is irrelevant. It only matters what the Senate thinks.
Well, yes .... but ...
What the “Senate thinks” can be strongly affected by the opinion of their voters.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Be careful what you wish for
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
So far that has applied more for the Republicans.
I don't mind leadership to be dumb but they should at least be familiar with the job. Or we could just pick some random reality show star to be CEO of a major corporation.
Shad
Veteran Member
Nope as articles of impeachment have not been voted on.
True. About a third of the Senate will be up for grabs in the next election. 23 Republicans and 12 Democrats will be up for election.
2020 United States Senate elections - Wikipedia
I'm not suggesting you're necessarily wrong, but that might be the least idealistic view of natural justice I've ever seen.
*Hands over a trophy*
So, situation normal?