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Boris Johnson compares main election rival to Stalin

Laika

Laika

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Whilst I realise this is a lost cause because Americans are going to start yelling "socialism" at anything...

Here is a picture of actual British Stalinist's from the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) march to Trafalgar Square on May Day. They are the only UK political party to officially express pro-Stalin views and advocate historical revisionist accounts Stalin's rule in the USSR. The Party was founded in 2004 by a group expelled from Arthur Scargill's "Socialist Labour Party" because they wanted to establish relations between the party and North Korea. The groups leadership founded the Stalin Society in 1991 to "to defend Stalin and his work on the basis of fact and to refute capitalist, revisionist, opportunist and Trotskyist propaganda directed against him". The Party has a history of defending Robert Mugabe, Assad, North Korea and the 9/11 hijackers (yes, really) in the name of Anti-Imperialism and defended the 2011 riots in London as primitive working class action against the bourgeoisie. They were expelled from the Stop the War Coalition because they defended Colonel Qaddafi and his regime.

There meetings are regularly attended by the North Korean Ambassador (including the previous one who defected to South Korea with his family after a possible threat of being purged by the Korean Worker's Party). The CPGB-ML condemned the defection.

They are anti Labour and anti Corbyn because they think they are traitors to the working class and agents of Imperialism. The CPGB-ML has about 50-100 members max.

Jeremy Corbyn is not and has never been a Stalinist or a member of the CPGB-ML or the Stalin Society.


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LuisDantas said:
He is, if you happen to be even mistaken for slightly left-winger. We just had a thread calling the American Democrat Party "communists", for crying out loud.
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Who am I trolling by quoting,
"Democrate part"?
I am trolling somebody.
Tom
 
exchemist

exchemist

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Laika said:
Whilst I realise this is a lost cause because Americans are going to start yelling "socialism" at anything...

Here is a picture of actual British Stalinist's from the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) march to Trafalgar Square on May Day. They are the only UK political party to officially express pro-Stalin views and advocate historical revisionist accounts Stalin's rule in the USSR. The Party was founded in 2004 by a group expelled from Arthur Scargill's "Socialist Labour Party" because they wanted to establish relations between the party and North Korea. The groups leadership founded the Stalin Society in 1991 to "to defend Stalin and his work on the basis of fact and to refute capitalist, revisionist, opportunist and Trotskyist propaganda directed against him". The Party has a history of defending Robert Mugabe, Assad, North Korea and the 9/11 hijackers (yes, really) in the name of Anti-Imperialism and defended the 2011 riots in London as primitive working class action against the bourgeoisie. They were expelled from the Stop the War Coalition because they defended Colonel Qaddafi and his regime.

There meetings are regularly attended by the North Korean Ambassador (including the previous one who defected to South Korea with his family after a possible threat of being purged by the Korean Worker's Party). The CPGB-ML condemned the defection.

They are anti Labour and anti Corbyn because they think they are traitors to the working class and agents of Imperialism. The CPGB-ML has about 50-100 members max.

Jeremy Corbyn is not and has never been a Stalinist or a member of the CPGB-ML or the Stalin Society.


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What about Seumas Milne, his adviser and, some would say, puppet master?

Milne has been described as a tankie, has he not?
 
Erebus

Erebus

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LuisDantas said:
He is, if you happen to be even mistaken for slightly left-winger. We just had a thread calling the American Democrat Party "communists", for crying out loud.
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Pretty much. Centre-right is about as far left as you're supposed to go. Anything beyond that is obviously communism.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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Erebus said:
Pretty much. Centre-right is about as far left as you're supposed to go. Anything beyond that is obviously communism.
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As I have mentioned before in another context, when I lived in Houston TX for a bit I came across people who seriously thought that the plan to put in a tram line was Communist.
 
Laika

Laika

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exchemist said:
What about Seumas Milne, his adviser and, some would say, puppet master?

Milne has been described as a tankie, has he not?
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Yes. Milne does have some very dodgy views as far as UK politics is concerned. There are entryists in the Labour Party. Some of them are long-time far left activists but the far left has made up about 0.5-1% of the vote in the UK in a general election since 1920. This is very low by European standards such as the performance of communist parties in France, Italy and Spain. So entryism is a tactic of political desperation and most of the far left surrenders political leadership in the hope the Labour Party will start a revolution for them.

Entryism is the idea that infiltrating the Labour Party will help the far left. It has some "short-term" benifits, but is ultimately the strategy of political parasites unable to convince people of their ideas and unwilling to commit themselves to the years and decades it would take to build up an independent communist movement capable of an actual revolution and forming a state in its own right.

An actual revolution in the UK would have to see off the threat of a military coup, a possible civil war or a "humanitarian" intervention by NATO, the USA and the international community. The Labour Party is not an organisation capable of pulling that off by any standard of the imagination. We are a very long way from having a government or even a far left party capable of that. Of the far left parties I am aware of, the CPGB-ML has the "crazy" factor that makes it conceivable they could try it if a situation arose where it was even possible. Pulling it off is a completely different matter.
 
exchemist

exchemist

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Laika said:
Yes. Milne does have some very dodgy views as far as UK politics is concerned. There are entryists in the Labour Party. Some of them are long-time far left activists but the far left has made up about 0.5-1% of the vote in the UK in a general election since 1920. This is very low by European standards such as the performance of communist parties in France, Italy and Spain. So entryism is a tactic of political desperation and most of the far left surrenders political leadership in the hope the Labour Party will start a revolution for them.

Entryism is the idea that infiltrating the Labour Party will help the far left. It has some "short-term" benifits, but is ultimately the strategy of political parasites unable to convince people of their ideas and unwilling to commit themselves to the years and decades it would take to build up an independent communist movement capable of an actual revolution and forming a state in its own right.

An actual revolution in the UK would have to see off the threat of a military coup, a possible civil war or a "humanitarian" intervention by NATO, the USA and the international community. The Labour Party is not an organisation capable of pulling that off by any standard of the imagination. We are a very long way from having a government or even a far left party capable of that. Of the far left parties I am aware of, the CPGB-ML has the "crazy" factor that makes it conceivable they could try it if a situation arose where it was even possible. Pulling it off is a completely different matter.
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Good points. I was shocked and depressed to find these bloody people still existed. They seem like dinosaurs.

Oh well, I suppose one silver lining if Bozolini wins the election (which in all other respects I would see as pretty catastrophic) will be irrefutable evidence evidence that these people cannot win on a far-left manifesto. I have read that Clem Attlee once remarked: "The people's flag is palest pink." I hope and believe he is still right.
 
Laika

Laika

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exchemist said:
Good points. I was shocked and depressed to find these bloody people still existed. They seem like dinosaurs.

Oh well, I suppose one silver lining if Bozolini wins the election (which in all other respects I would see as pretty catastrophic) will be irrefutable evidence evidence that these people cannot win on a far-left manifesto. I have read that Clem Attlee once remarked: "The people's flag is palest pink." I hope and believe he is still right.
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Whilst I’m on the subject, there is another group of the far left currently serving as members of the Brexit party. This lot shifted from Trotskyism to Libertarianism over the past few decades. One, Claire Fox, has been elected an MEP. She denied that the Bosnian Genocide took place in 2000 and was taken to court for accusing a TV network of fabricating evidence of the genocide. She and her group lost the case. Most of the Brexit Party’s entryists seem to come from the defunct revolutionary communist party (1978-1997). The guardian has covered them several times.

These people can smell weakness in the British political system but they are unable to launch any independent effort to advance their own cause. Even if I had some sympathy for the far left, it is a profoundly disgusting and depressing spectacle. These people really shouldn’t be leaders in any organisation, even a far left one.

Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1978) - Wikipedia
Claire Fox - Wikipedia
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
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sun rise said:
The US and UK seem to be going down the same path at the same time. I think the UK is "ahead", whatever that means, because no one (yet) has compared Senator Warren to Stalin. But I'm sure that's coming assuming she's the POTUS nominee.

Boris Johnson compares main election rival to Stalin
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It's big news here that corbyns deputy has stood down but this is far more serious.

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This is very significant and although bojo comparing him to Stalin may seem the top but Stalin was a Marxist,everyone knows corbyns love of Marxism,Stalin was antisemetic and the labour party has a big problem with antisemetism which is being investigated by an independent watchdog.

Corbyn has also courted Hamas,the IRA and loves Venezuela,he has never been a patriot and I wouldn't consider him as one of ours,he's the leader of a loony fringe that has invaded the labour party so bojo really wasn't that far out imo.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

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England my lionheart said:
It's big news here that corbyns deputy has stood down but this is far more serious.

BBC – Sign in

This is very significant and although bojo comparing him to Stalin may seem the top but Stalin was a Marxist,everyone knows corbyns love of Marxism,Stalin was antisemetic and the labour party has a big problem with antisemetism which is being investigated by an independent watchdog.

Corbyn has also courted Hamas,the IRA and loves Venezuela,he has never been a patriot and I wouldn't consider him as one of ours,he's the leader of a loony fringe that has invaded the labour party so bojo really wasn't that far out imo.
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I did this on my phone but the link didn't work so here's a snippet.

UK General election news 2019 LIVE: Ian Austin in stunning attack on Jeremy Corbyn as Tom Watson resignation shocks Labour
 
Altfish

Altfish

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England my lionheart said:
It's big news here that corbyns deputy has stood down but this is far more serious.

BBC – Sign in

This is very significant and although bojo comparing him to Stalin may seem the top but Stalin was a Marxist,everyone knows corbyns love of Marxism,Stalin was antisemetic and the labour party has a big problem with antisemetism which is being investigated by an independent watchdog.

Corbyn has also courted Hamas,the IRA and loves Venezuela,he has never been a patriot and I wouldn't consider him as one of ours,he's the leader of a loony fringe that has invaded the labour party so bojo really wasn't that far out imo.
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The sensible politicians are fleeing from both main parties.
Tories are heading far right; Labour far left
Sad, sad times. I've never felt so disenfranchised
 
Altfish

Altfish

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England my lionheart said:
I did this on my phone but the link didn't work so here's a snippet.

UK General election news 2019 LIVE: Ian Austin in stunning attack on Jeremy Corbyn as Tom Watson resignation shocks Labour
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To quote Owen Jones: -
"Ian Austin plotted against Ed Miliband partly because he thought Labour didn't bash migrants enough. He boasted of anti-migrant views which were compared to the BNP. He now backs a party led by a Muslim-baiting racist.
It's humiliating for Labour that was ever even a member."

It would have been a surprise if Austin had backed Labour
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Altfish said:
To quote Owen Jones: -
"Ian Austin plotted against Ed Miliband partly because he thought Labour didn't bash migrants enough. He boasted of anti-migrant views which were compared to the BNP. He now backs a party led by a Muslim-baiting racist.
It's humiliating for Labour that was ever even a member."

It would have been a surprise if Austin had backed Labour
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Still the people labour have lost just over anti-Semitism alone tells a sad story.
 
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