I agree. How would you know whether or not that something else is not concerned about us as humans?
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Coming out as a Deist
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I agree. How would you know whether or not that something else is not concerned about us as humans?
My point exactly thank you. Its not by chance and there is "long, long strings of causes-and-effect, natural events" 2 questions. 1) What caused all this and 2) Where did the laws that the natural events come from? I am honestly not looking for an answer but, just letting you know what comes to my mind when i see/read things like this.
Personally, i completely disagree as nothing happens by chance or randomness.
Why should i automatically assume this is not the case? I like to look at all possible answers then decide instead of automatically eliminating possible answers.
Well done, You are in the right track now. Take the next step wisely. Nowadays it is not so easy to reach the truth as machination is all over the place. facts are twisted in purpose but falsehood is legless all the time
That’s fine. I think its a hard question to answer. Obviously there are claims made by the founders of various religions to represent the will of that entity and communication from the said entity to humanity. Whether or not any of those claims are true its interesting to contemplate whether a being who is more able and intelligent than us would want to communicate with us and even be of assistance. Perhaps the question then could be framed, is that being more moral than us? If he were, then it makes it somewhat more likely this being would want to communicate and assist.
Anyway I’m just interested in the questions and journey and really wish you well wherever your new insights lead you.
David J
Member
Amazing. You go from not knowing if there's a god to not knowing which god, with no justification.
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This is, of course, quite false. Random quantum noise, for example, is well understood, and has even been used (since 1957) to generate random numbers. See ERNIE.
Spartan
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Jefferson was neither a deist or a Christian. My prior post of his quotes clearly demonstrates he believed in the supernatural God of the Bible.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
All I can say is, What Supernatural act or item you have discovered?
This sounds very much to my way of thinking as well.
I can set up a one on one debate (there is a specific thread) and post some ground rules there if you like. You can then just suggest any changes or different rules.
Can't do it now (at work) but let me know if you're okay with me doing that, and I can get it done later today, my time.
Father Heathen
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is nothing wrong with "we don't know" if we don't know. Demanding that one state that there is or isn't a god could easily lead to error. By the way, most atheists are also agnostic. Just in case you get confused by the atheist label that I chose. If someone showed valid evidence for a god my mind could be changed. The ones you have to look out for are those that declare no evidence would change their minds.
dfnj
Well-Known Member
I have spent many years on this subject. I found this way of thinking about God in the following video to be the best I have found:
Especially the part where the author talks about Apophatic theology:
Apophatic theology - Wikipedia
stvdv
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I would rather say "Be fearless" and investigate all. Trust and follow your own conscience.
Fear and seeing ghost, devils, satans all around will only inhibit you and your spiritual growth (of course only temporary, so even about this you need not worry).
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Being humble is a good starting point to "Learn"
Debate works maybe good to learn about Science, but
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
“eliminate”: They call it also neti...neti. It's a 24/7 job, never ending I guess.
“truth”: You might "find" your "truth". Finding "The Truth" is a Big One
Good Luck with it, and more important "enjoy", although I heard a Master once say "End Joy" is the key to ....
Moz
Religion. A pox on all their Houses.
Hi
First i would eliminate any religion or worldview that allows evil to exist forever as an intrinsic driver of the whole system, which pretty much eliminates the "eastern" religions.
The next criteria i would look to would be in the areas of violence, nationalism and political meddling. Any religion or group within a religion that engages in any of those activities i would eliminate from the competition as well. Which pretty much discounts the major strains of Christendom, the Bahia and Islam as a whole.
I would also eliminate any religion that modifies its teachings to fit in with a changing society in order to keep its members or appear relevant.
There's a start.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
You're on the way! The great apologist C.S. Lewis went from atheist to deist to Christian leader. Good luck in your search for ultimate truth.
Actually i have my justifications, just have not gone in to that here nor was that the intent of this thread.