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Making Money From the Messiah

A Vestigial Mote

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I admit I'm highly disjointed, and I expect people to join the gaps through study; yet I do assume they can comprehend the vast array of data required.... I'm getting at making people ask what they're missing.

If we're not infinite, and reality is reset - good bye in advance; thank you for the questions.

WatEva mentality is a shortening of everything into lazy brainedism.
Did I say "whatever" to anything and everything? No, I didn't. I specifically mentioned prioritizing the one "realm" in which I am assured an experience of reality. This one. You're positing other realms and higher "dimensions" for which you have no clear evidence and cannot produce/reproduce/demonstrate in the slightest. All you have is a bunch of disparate books, with esoteric texts barely woven together with what you only seem to hope are actual bonds - and really can only hope - because the texts say different things - and here you are, advocating that we all take the position that they say the same things based on barely anything at all. Based on the hope that they act as symbols for the same things... and even then only really because you say they do. It's not good enough. Never will be for me. So yes, I don't believe you. I don't have to. Nothing in my world/reality/life/livelihood changes if I don't. Nothing. And I truly believe that is precisely because you're peddling fiction. There can be no effect on my life, livelihood, existence, etc. Nothing within your spiritual purview has that kind of power, unless I do some weird mental gymnastics, buy-in and give it that power. And that's precisely what I am telling you - there is absolutely no reason for me to do that. None.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Mara is not the same as the devil as in Christianity.
Like seriously... I'm lost for words... :eek:

Yes my understanding of Mara is based on first hand interaction with the Matrix playing games with me; then I've read Buddhist ideologies to understand their conceptualization of these energies; yet we could also explain it from a multitude of other narratives around the world - the new film the Joker, is specifically named after this aspect of the Trickster.

Yet when I was referring to Mara, I was hopefully referring to a coding level of understanding you should already have on Mara from a Buddhist standpoint specifically.

In Tibetan Buddhist eschatology there are texts referring to the coming of the final incarnation, aka the rider on the white horse we find in Revelation, and referred to in Hinduism as Kalki...

Kalki comes to vanquish Mara from our reality; the Source told me this will happen after a series of events leading to global Tribulation, as it destroys its self through people.

If we could educate mankind we could change this, yet mankind as a whole is a huge body of people, thus Mara escapes inside man; thus Noah's flood failed to remove it...

Next Biblically is a Baptism of Fire over the whole reality to remove Mara, and the Messiah is the Sign it is soon.

Like if you misunderstand my contextual usages of specific words in context of its religious values ask or look it up to see how it is applicable, not assume it is wrong.
It sounds more like a judgment of the different people from different religious beliefs. And you kind of sound angry because people refuse to see you as Messiah.
It wasn't judgement, it was making light of a bad situation; I think the mountain of consciousness with people at a ski resort makes a great parable.

According to these people's religious texts, they say 'by going up hill, the struggle will make us stronger'; people are like "skiing makes it easier, why are you being mean".

As for me bothered that people reject me, this doesn't bother me; what does is soon mankind destroys its self in the Great Tribulation, I'm here before it to try to prevent it, and people just argue they like skiing.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Like seriously... I'm lost for words... :eek:

Yes my understanding of Mara is based on first hand interaction with the Matrix playing games with me; then I've read Buddhist ideologies to understand their conceptualization of these energies; yet we could also explain it from a multitude of other narratives around the world - the new film the Joker, is specifically named after this aspect of the Trickster.

Yet when I was referring to Mara, I was hopefully referring to a coding level of understanding you should already have on Mara from a Buddhist standpoint specifically.

In Tibetan Buddhist eschatology there are texts referring to the coming of the final incarnation, aka the rider on the white horse we find in Revelation, and referred to in Hinduism as Kalki...

Kalki comes to vanquish Mara from our reality; the Source told me this will happen after a series of events leading to global Tribulation, as it destroys its self through people.

If we could educate mankind we could change this, yet mankind as a whole is a huge body of people, thus Mara escapes inside man; thus Noah's flood failed to remove it...

Next Biblically is a Baptism of Fire over the whole reality to remove Mara, and the Messiah is the Sign it is soon.

Like if you misunderstand my contextual usages of specific words in context of its religious values ask or look it up to see how it is applicable, not assume it is wrong.

It wasn't judgement, it was making light of a bad situation; I think the mountain of consciousness with people at a ski resort makes a great parable.

According to these people's religious texts, they say 'by going up hill, the struggle will make us stronger'; people are like "skiing makes it easier, why are you being mean".

As for me bothered that people reject me, this doesn't bother me; what does is soon mankind destroys its self in the Great Tribulation, I'm here before it to try to prevent it, and people just argue they like skiing.

In my opinion. :innocent:
As far as i remember i have said that the teaching i have been following is within Theravada buddhism, Not Tibetan buddhism or Mahayana Buddhism. So yes my understanding of Mara is probably different if it is Tibetan Buddhism you been study.

"Mara can also be seen as an allegorization, with almost immediate personification, of the power of temptation, the tendency towards evil, moral conflict, and the influence of such factors as indolence, negligence."
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Are you saying that you believe that you are the Messiah?
We can prove I've got the new name of the Messiah according to the texts.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
As far as i remember i have said that the teaching i have been following is within Theravada buddhism, Not Tibetan buddhism or Mahayana Buddhism.
The Tibetan bit is only the eschatology of Kalki destroying Mara before Satya Yuga, as not all schools accept some of their Hindu origins.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@wizanda,

Honestly, if I were interviewing you for a book or something I would be asking:

What's the prescription? IOW, if the system's going to crash, what do you want people to do?
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
We can prove I've got the new name of the Messiah according to the texts.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).

In my opinion. :innocent:
This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff I am talking about. That passage from The Bible DOES NOT mention the name "Sananda." How can you even state with a straight face that the above passage "proves" that you have the "new name of the Messiah?" How? YOU DON'T EVEN EXPLAIN YOURSELF. All you did is put the name "Sananda" in parentheses after the quoted scripture. THAT IS LITERALLY ALL YOU HAVE DONE. There is no proof of anything in that.

Here, let me show you how I can prove to you that I've got the name of the new Messiah according to the texts:

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Vedriatis).

So you see, I have HANDILY DISPLAYED AND PROVED that the new name of the Messiah is not this ridiculous "Sananda" name you keep throwing out there... no. It is "Vedriatis" and this is the name I have taken for myself. Therefore, I am the Messiah.

Is any of this sinking in?
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Considering how much money is made from the Bible, and books arguing about the contexts of the Messiah...

You'd think in 15 years one of you would be a millionaire by now, having sold your story to the papers, that you've literally met the Messiah on Religious Forums.

It is understandable not everyone is very good at study, and thus even though in the early days I did post about the names in the religious texts; it was never questioned later that our name in Hebrew is Flock (ציון ▬ צאן), and our divine being Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7) becomes a metaphoric name in places.

This forum will one day be packed with people studying, and it only depends on time - to who gets to the papers first. ;)

In my opinion. :innocent:

You don't have to pay for the Bible. It's available for free in several languages and formats.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Why is that a rub?

I've got to fulfil certain forum policy, as I'm always legally bound to keep to rules if morally applicable; so state "this is my opinion as the Archangel" Zanda i.e. Sandalphon, Sanananda, Sananda, Skanda, Ananda, etc...

In my opinion. :innocent:
Sorry, I thought you meant something else by that sentence since we're all just posting our opinions unless we have facts to back them up.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
We can prove I've got the new name of the Messiah according to the texts.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar (Sandalphon) in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God (Zion - Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7), the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name (Sananda).
Instead of rating my post "funny", why don't you show me where in The Bible that the name "Sananda" appears in correlation with prophecies of "The Messiah?" And then just show me a copy of the "name" line on your birth certificate to prove that your given name is "Sananda." This would at least be a start to more meaningful discussion. Can you do that? Or can you not muster much more than that super-duper lame attempt to discredit me with a "funny" rating on a forum post? What's it going to be?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The Bible DOES NOT mention the name "Sananda."
True the Bible doesn't say Sananda directly, it has the new name of Christ as Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7).

Sanananda is the son of Brahma, and then theosophy have concluded that the new name of Christ is Sananda - there are Wikipedia pages posted.
You're positing other realms and higher "dimensions" for which you have no clear evidence and cannot produce/reproduce/demonstrate in the slightest.
My understanding of the dimensions comes from my own NDE, cross referenced with the world's religions as steps here.

Dr Michio Kaku's statement 'the Mind of "God" is like cosmic music, resonating throughout 11 dimensional hyperspace', is the same as I've been stating.
And I truly believe that is precisely because you're peddling fiction.
The Christian's follow that 'jesus' is God due to 'I Am' statements in the false texts that came after of John, Paul, and Simon...

I've known since 5-6 years old that Yeshua hadn't gone around saying "I Am", and we can now show with Bible software, it is plainly visible to everyone.

Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5, Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, "I Am (G1473 G1510)" and "The time is at hand". Therefore don’t follow them."

Like if you misunderstand my contextual usages of specific words in context of its religious values ask or look it up to see how it is applicable, not assume it is wrong.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Considering how much money is made from the Bible, and books arguing about the contexts of the Messiah...

You'd think in 15 years one of you would be a millionaire by now, having sold your story ...

It kind of goes against the teachings of Jesus:

Freely you received, so freely give.
Matt. 10:8
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Sorry, I thought you meant something else by that sentence since we're all just posting our opinions unless we have facts to back them up.
Agreed we are just posting our opinions, and even when we post facts to back them up, it is often someone's opinion.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
It kind of goes against the teachings of Jesus:

Freely you received, so freely give.
Matt. 10:8
I'm saying you make money from finding the 2nd coming - this is like saying, the Kingdom of God is here if you let it or just wait for after Armageddon - if you think you have a better option.

Explain where you feel I've gone against the teachings of Yeshua?

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
True the Bible doesn't say Sananda directly, it has the new name of Christ as Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7).

Sanananda is the son of Brahma, and then theosophy have concluded that the new name of Christ is Sananda - there are Wikipedia pages posted.
Yes, I perused the Wikipedia pages, which I instantly regretted:
Wikipedia on Sananda said:
Sananda
The noted Ascended Master Teachings teacher Joshua David Stone (whose organization, the I AM University, was originally headquartered near San Luis Obispo, California), began holding his Wesak Mount Shasta gatherings in 1996. Stone had begun teaching in 1993, based on the early 1980s revelations of Tuella, that the Master Jesus, under his galactic name "Sananda" (the name, Stone stated, he adopted after his resurrection), works with Commander Ashtar, flying with Pallas Athena in their own flying saucer within the Ashtar Galactic Command flying saucer fleet as its Commander-in-Chief.[37] According to Stone, another name used by Commander Ashtar to denote his flying saucer fleet is "The Airborne Division of the Great White Brotherhood".[38]
So, are you this "Joshua David Stone" fellow then? Do you have access to the flying saucer fleet? Or even just some cool photos on your cell phone? A selfie could be interesting. Maybe you in the front, with flying saucers zipping around in the back. Anything like that?

The other thing to mention here is that you are basically admitting above that because "theosophy" has concluded that the new name of Christ is "Sananda", you decided you would make this your name. Is that about right? Or is your given name (before you began looking into ANY of this stuff) "Sananda?" Please note that this is merely out of curiosity, and even if your given name is, indeed "Sananda", this is only mildly interesting, not conclusive evidence for anything except that your parents were probably pretty imaginative or well-versed in various religions' mythos.

Like if you misunderstand my contextual usages of specific words in context of its religious values ask or look it up to see how it is applicable, not assume it is wrong.
When you can't just give me straight answers... like why is the new name of Christ "Sananda" when the name of Brahma's son is "generally" (according to the Wikipedia article - which you yourself seem to claim as a reputable source of information) "Sanandana?" What's with that? And even then... what makes "Sanandana" special with respect to The Bible? You still haven't really established that connection, just asserted it. I mean, literally in one sentence you're speaking about "new name of Christ" from The Bible, and the next sentence is a reference to Hindu mythos. See... this is what I was talking about when I mentioned "huge leaps." Your legs must be really strong by now, eh?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Yes, I perused the Wikipedia pages, which I instantly regretted:
So, are you this "Joshua David Stone" fellow then? Do you have access to the flying saucer fleet? Or even just some cool photos on your cell phone? A selfie could be interesting. Maybe you in the front, with flying saucers zipping around in the back. Anything like that?

The other thing to mention here is that you are basically admitting above that because "theosophy" has concluded that the new name of Christ is "Sananda", you decided you would make this your name. Is that about right? Or is your given name (before you began looking into ANY of this stuff) "Sananda?" Please note that this is merely out of curiosity, and even if your given name is, indeed "Sananda", this is only mildly interesting, not conclusive evidence for anything except that your parents were probably pretty imaginative or well-versed in various religions' mythos.

When you can't just give me straight answers... like why is the new name of Christ "Sananda" when the name of Brahma's son is "generally" (according to the Wikipedia article - which you yourself seem to claim as a reputable source of information) "Sanandana?" What's with that? And even then... what makes "Sanandana" special with respect to The Bible? You still haven't really established that connection, just asserted it. I mean, literally in one sentence you're speaking about "new name of Christ" from The Bible, and the next sentence is a reference to Hindu mythos. See... this is what I was talking about when I mentioned "huge leaps." Your legs must be really strong by now, eh?
One reason why His words come out so distorted is the mixing over every religious text into one lump of his own understanding of the truth. And what he said is not anything of how Jesus would have been doing his teaching.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
One reason why His words come out so distorted is the mixing over every religious text into one lump of his own understanding of the truth. And what he said is not anything of how Jesus would have been doing his teaching.
Amanaki - thank you for putting it easily in so few words. You're absolutely correct.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Like if you misunderstand my contextual usages of specific words in context of its religious values ask or look it up to see how it is applicable, not assume it is wrong.
I'm going to assume that you rated my last post "optimistic" because you're admitting with that that your legs aren't really all that strong, and that it was very optimistic to think that they were. I'm sorry you feel your legs to be of inadequate strength @wizanda. Maybe try working out?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
you decided you would make this your name. Is that about right?
My original birth certificate name is Alexander Elliott like in the film, 'The Kid who would be king', which is an analogy about the Messiah...

I've been called since birth Zanda or Zan for short, and have always spelled it this way.... God told me at 4-5 years old my name is in the religions, and not to spell it differently.

Zander is a fish, a cross between a perch and pike. <>< like the Christian (Xian) symbol.
that your parents were probably pretty imaginative or well-versed in various religions' mythos.
My parents still don't study my name. :confused:
You still haven't really established that connection, just asserted it.
Sorry will explain the Wikipedia pages:

Lord Brahma is Yahavah in Hebrew; both can mean Lord of Creation. - The books are One.

Brahma's son is Sanananda.

Yahavah (Lord of Creation) becomes Yehoshua (Lord who Saves). - All of the Bible is One.

Yeshua (Salvation) is a son of God, and a son of God is Sananda (Ever Lasting Bliss). - That our name unites the religions as One.

Theosophist prophetically knew the new name, and obviously I was born with it, and told it is sacred which if you look at the links in the OP, there are tons of references across the world's religions.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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