The issue isn't that he believes John 3; the issue is that he criticized a Christian woman for showing compassion toward Muslims.
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Should Democrats censor Bernie Sanders for grilling an appointee over his basic Chrisitan beliefs?
- Thread starter whirlingmerc
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Which is the problem Bernie was addressing. He didn't care that Vought was Christian, only that he had at one time condemned a particular group based on scripture. Bernie made his decision based on that, not the scripture itself.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Negatory! All Christians should show compassion to everyone. The issue was someone was teaching contrary to their statement of faith.
The theological issue was the woman taught the God of the Bible was the same God as that of the Koran and both are on the same par for achieving salvation. Historically, Christians historically don't believe that and the Bible doesn't support it. Historically, Muslims don't believe it either
As a private religious school by law a religious school is allowed to have faculty that teach in accordance to their statements of faith and allowed to have faculty providing for an experience of immersion of faith in all aspects of curriculem, recognize the Lordship of Christ in all subject areas of learning.
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whirlingmerc
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The context of John 3:16 is that all people are condemned and in Jesus the condemnation is taken away. Is Bernie Biblically illiterate?
So according to Bernie, you can believe, but not believe believe? or is it believe believe believe? Say you believe but not really? Believe a verse but never say it out loud? Not in private writings? thus says the church of Bernie
Ps 14 and 52 say 'the fool says in his heart there is no God' The fool may 'believe' in God in theory but makes no difference in actual life.
It is telling that Bernie (or the left in general) would not say the same to Muslims whose faith is similarly exclusive, as most faiths are. The technical tern for Bernies belief system is postmodernism where nothing is really true anyway.
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whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
In the end, Bernie missed a trick.
It's a true redistribution of wealth, God's righteousness wealth because of Jesus work on the cross!
Christ who was rich became poor that we might become rich.
Christ who had no sin became sin that we might be the righteousness of God in Him.
Christ became a curse for us on the cross that we might be a blessing.
He should celebrate the true redistribution of wealth, God's righteousness wealth in Christ.
'the meek shall inherit the earth' see Psalms 25 and 37.
: )
Hallelujah!!!
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Might you give an example of how John 3:16 caused epoch discord tearing the Christian nation apart?
Interesting you called the US a Christian nation, you and Bernie seem to not be seeing eye to eye.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
If all are condemned, then why call out Muslims in particular? Is there a context in what Vought write that shows he is not specifically calling out Muslims?
You can believe, but must set aside some of your beliefs (or believe in the bigger picture) in order to carry out the roles of a public official.
Then call them out when it happens.
(This is not quite what postmodernism is.)
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
He's more of a postmodernist / atheist and a creature of politics as
I would not 'call them out' as I'm fine with disagreeing with people and respecting their conscience. However there is a constitutional ban on making religious litmus tests such as Bernie contrived.
No, I was talking about the Christian nation, not the US nation.
John 3:16 is about predestination ("grace through faith"). I don't know about epoch discord, but everyone knows that Christians are not reconciled over concepts like faith vs. faith and works.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There was no litmus test. You already agreed that one cannot always follow one's religious beliefs without consequences.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Only in a theocracy. America is a secular nation governed by a secular constitution. You dominionists will stop at nothing apparently to destroy what my founding fathers created.
You already got your 'god' in the pledge of allegiance and on the money, what else do you want? Biblical public education? I bet you do
sooda
Veteran Member
What is it you are trying to do here? If you have started 3 threads on the same subject, you must know. Why not be honest and tell us?
sooda
Veteran Member
Are you trying to prove religious bias in Bernie Sanders?
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
The constitution strictly bans using a religious test for office several ways
The issue is Bernie is ignoring these and suggestion those who believe in John 3:16 (and the following verses) should not be employed by the government.
Which is sad as it's basically a direct quote from Jesus. But Bernie glossed over that trying to blame Wheaton college and trying to blame a Trump budget director nomination. A thinly veiled attack on the historical Christian plain understanding of the words.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Please, quote and link where he did this.
and no. You have no valid reason to claim that it was a direct quote from Jesus.
sooda
Veteran Member
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Of course it is.
You can look at the chapter in John 3
Exactly what Bernie Sanders was attacking was Jesus discussion
of what he meant when he said John 3:16 and in partitcular John 3:18
In the end it suggests Bernie is Biblically illiterate BUT willing to pontificate... which is a really bad combination.
sooda
Veteran Member
Not if they are biased against Muslims, Jews, Atheists etc.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
A personal religious belief does not constitute a bias in the workplace.
Mature people disagree on many things and still work together.
sooda
Veteran Member
Do you preach in the workplace?