Should bad religion be tolerated?

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

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Not really, for many of the same reasons why we do not tolerate destructive politics or destructive mental health.

We should however be very careful in making and enforcing such judgements. Grassroots discussion is and should be the preferred path of action.

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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Everyone can and must, because there is no one that is truly unaffected.

Gauging the exact level of validity is the trickiest part, but there are ways to make that non-crucial.

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

AT-AT said:

The main problem comes when people start doing risky things, saying it's a part of their "religion".

Though there would be some debate as to what's considered "risky".

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I don't want the government deciding what is risky and what is not risky, what is bad religion and what is not bad religion beyond what would be true for people in general.

Religion should not be an excuse to refuse vaccinations to be more to the point.

Otherwise we get into the destruction of Islam in China situation because the government decided to do it.

Erebus said:

There are always going to be grey areas with this. As a general rule though I'd say people should be free to apply their religious beliefs to themselves. Want to refuse a blood transfusion because it's against your beliefs? Go for it, it's your body. Don't try to prevent somebody else from having one though. Do you believe that gay people shouldn't marry? Fine, if you happen to be gay you're under no obligation to get married. Other people aren't subject to that belief though.

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The problem is that they believe that GOD doesn't want gay people to get married. And they see themselves as God's instraments. So they think it's their job to try and impose God's will on the world whether we agree to it or not.

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

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Bigotry requires no promotion. It springs up from the ground of any non-diverse group, any group where there is a measure of uniformity. All things become religions if they are continued. Corporations, governments, guilds, banks, schools, jobs...everything. Everything over time becomes religion. We will see this in our lifetimes if we don't see it in History. Then when things become religion and promote uniformity we will see new forms of bigotry against diverse people.

AT-AT said:

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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The sad truth is that good and bad always come together, no matter what aspect of life we are looking at. You cannot eliminate bigotry. You can parody it and ignore it, and you can educate about it. Its not like washing dishes or melting ice or straightening a cabinet. Its more like keeping things painted and polished, a constant effort. I'm not suggesting that good equals bad. I'm saying that they are always part of the same experience, not merely in religion but in all things. Getting rid of bigotry is like air conditioning. You can use an air conditioner to cool a room, but you are merely shifting heat outside and also adding to it. The heat just comes, and you have to actively empty it from hot rooms. Bigotry is like insects. They just are everywhere, and they are part of the food chain. We can't get rid of them despite how annoying they are.

PureX said:

The problem is that they believe that GOD doesn't want gay people to get married. And they see themselves as God's instraments. So they think it's their job to try and impose God's will on the world whether we agree to it or not.

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This is unfortunately true. There are too many people who feel that establishing a theocracy is the only way they can truly practice their religion.

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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There is nothing that compels us to respect anyone's beliefs, particularly if they are non-sensical or dangerous.

Aupmanyav said:

Any religion that says that it is the only correct way is a bad religion, and should be banned.

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Ha! You don't live in the U.S., do you?

Vinayaka said:

I knew of teachers from the Catholic schools who openly suggested to parents to have their disabled kids go to the public schools.

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Very common practice here in the U.S. Low Catholic-paid wages and shortage of specially-trained staff encourage the practice

Terry Sampson said:

Very common practice here in the U.S. Low Catholic-paid wages and shortage of specially-trained staff encourage the practice

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Here, both systems (public and Catholic) get paid almost the same. It's just passing the buck, in more ways than one. The private Christian schools are also partially funded by public funds, which I disagree with as well. I shouldn't have to fund the intolerant.

Wandering Monk said:

There is nothing that compels us to respect anyone's beliefs, particularly if they are non-sensical or dangerous.

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Unfortunately, one person's nonsense is another's sanity.

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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(Scoffs) I'm afraid I have to be the bearer of bad news.

"Bigotry" and "prejudice" are buzzwords. I have been to Catholic churches, Baptist churches, Methodist churches, and Episcopal churches.

Not one of them says "Black people are scum" or "women are second-class and should be subservient". I went to like the most backward South Carolina Baptist church that talked about "other religions" like Methodism and still didn't hear this kind of talk.

What you are hearing is actually sour grapes from people who deeply hate the church (because they believe themselves unforgivable), and especially the church that won't lie to them and tell them they did not sin when they murdered that child via operating table (abortion is murder) or tell them that sodomy is perfectly safe and they shouldn't feel guilty about giving people STDs. Are all of these things bad things to be doing? Oh, but I must be bigoted if I point them out. No I'm pointing them out because THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES. They are sins. But we are able to be forgiven. Always, even from that one you thought up to personally make me mad at you. I'm still gonna be mad at you about that, I may even Ignore you, but I'm unlikely to tell you "I will never forgive you."

We have responsibilities to each other, and this starts with a very firm sense of what is sinful. It just doesn't end there. We also have grace, and it is important that people understand that sin and grace are important parts of each other. If we claim to be without sin, this itself is a sin (delusion), but accepting that one is flawed is the first step towards receiving grace.

But the people tossing around words like bigotry, are ones that expect the church to coddle their delusions. I'm sorry, but people don't have to do that. Maybe you will have to go to the courts and privately marry your girlfriend because Methodism won't go along with your lesbian wedding. You know what? Deal with it. Not every church will tell you it's okay. But alot of churches will love you despite your sins.

But while we're on topic of bigotry, there is at least one person online who thinks those calling others "bigots" are far bigger bigots.

Liberal Bigots, Preach Hate... - www.HNewsWire.com

So ummm, pot, meet this kettle. I know it's black and all, but uhhhh...

Vinayaka said:

The private Christian schools are also partially funded by public funds, which I disagree with as well.

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Hear! Hear!

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

At what point does neutral/good religion tip the scale into bad, and who should decide such a thing?

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Promoting greed, hatred, and delusion is propaganda, plain and simple. Once you get individuals to realize this, it becomes much easier for them to take back control over their individual minds instead of having their minds overcome by greed, hatred, or delusion. It would be much more effective to have individuals take back control of their own minds than to take the individual out of the equation of the solution.

Samantha Rinne said:

But alot of churches will love you despite your sins.

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First off, I hope I didn't make you mad with my post. I realize we seem to come from different sides. Much of what I speak, you may see as buzzwords, etc. for my universalist beliefs. I do have a tendency of focusing on where myself, and others, may have incorrect notions though.

As for the churches loving you, I find it to be passive aggressive love. They want to show you that you are loved, then want to make you feel like a lesser human being due to being LGBTQ+, etc. But that's just what I've seen.

Samantha Rinne said:

But the people tossing around words like bigotry, are ones that expect the church to coddle their delusions. I'm sorry, but people don't have to do that. Maybe you will have to go to the courts and privately marry your girlfriend because Methodism won't go along with your lesbian wedding. You know what? Deal with it. Not every church will tell you it's okay. But alot of churches will love you despite your sins.

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Religion has been invading politics a lot lately, to be fair. Trump just set something in motion to try to bar LGBTQ+ couples from adopting, for example.

Adoption Groups Could Turn Away LGBT Parents Under Proposed Rule

I think it can be a relevant question in some ways.

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

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No, if bigotry means that one thinks Christians are bad or evil.

Water can share fire like lava

Tolerance has degrees
It is necessary to have your rights, but it is not appropriate to sit a guest and say I want to be the master of the house

but this is can possible
Religious holidays are taken according to people's religions
The state should not have a public holiday for all
Religious holidays are given a maximum of five to ten days
He chooses the days that fit his beliefs
What do you think of my proposal

AT-AT said:

Should bad religion, religion that promotes bigotry and prejudice, be tolerated?

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No they shouldn't. And I get to decide which religions are guilty of promoting bigotry and prejudice.

Guess which is my first choice.

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Skwim said:

No they shouldn't. And I get to decide which religions are guilty of promoting bigotry and prejudice.

Guess which is my first choice.

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Loofahferianism

Tolerate? Maybe. Allow to bleed into politics? No!
I have many issues with religions in general. But if they leave me alone then I tend to leave them alone.

The real quandary I suppose is should we tolerate bad religion being taught to children?
I mean adults have a choice. Kids, not so much. But the right to raise a child however one wishes is also protected under law. (Short of abuse and/or neglect.)

Some people might see bad religion as abusive. But that’s a bit hard to prove in a court of law.