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Friendship, Jesus, and God
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whirlingmerc
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In some ways Jesus and those who follow him are doing the most self fullfilling thing possible
Man is most satisfied when God is most glorified
Jesus for the joy before Him endured the cross
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Altruism? Lets look at this in context. Jesus came in, ended up with a few dedicated individuals whom he had great and lasting impact on. They did not ask to follow, but were chosen to follow, which I take it as a ... had no real choice as they were umm ... compelled by forces unseen to do so. Jesus had a way about him difficult to resist by those whom he stood with and for. Many times the authorities sought to apprehend him, and the night they finally did he was so troubled that his weeping was so severe that I would suggest it came straight from his heart, knowing what was about to take place ... a situation where him and his crew would face an inescapable demise and/or slaughter IF he did not go willingly, so ... that's what he did. He went willingly, even when Peter was willing, ready, and had already started to fight to protect him.
They had two swords between the 13, or was it 12 of them? They were facing an entire roman troop, armed to the teeth, and not only ready to kill them all, but chomping at the bit to do so, so ... Jesus told Pete to put away his sword and let him know that he'd die if he didn't. THEY were his friends, those 12 who walked with him, stood with him, lived with him, trusted him, and who were willing to kill for him. Peter ended up denying Jesus 3 times, but then had he claimed him, after he drew his sword and took an ear from one of the individuals with the roman troop, he would have been joining jesus on a cross to be humiliated until death also.
No greater love ... It was Jesus' duty as head of that crew to take responsibility for what had transpired the years before. He realized this and with that realization he acted not only as a good shepherd and leader, but also as a friend. He could have sold one of his crew members out let them all be slaughtered by the roman troop, but he didn't. He did what he knew he had to do to keep his good name, to stay true to his cause, to show all how a man of character and principle carries himself.
epronovost
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Few sayings have condemned as many to slaughter, starvation or to toil under the boots of tyrants than this one.
So God is not love realized? Love doesn't cover all sins?
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Cover? What is the Greek definition of that term? Love covers a multitude of sin ... In any case, I would suggest that there's not much in life that is any more sinful than anything else. We perceive the severity of, and make a value determination of, and because of the severity, we place greater or lesser degree's of how evil any particular sin is. We as humans do that and for good reason, but in the end, the wages of sin is death and as far as I know, we're all gonna die one day. How we, as humans, deal with that which we determine to be higher degree's of evil or sin or whatever you wish to call it, is where we sometimes get things skewed ... in my opinion. Like death for example. We're all gonna die anyway, so what's the big deal? The big deal, of course, is in the innocence of those who umm are killed, but then again we have to make a value determination, so ... by and large it's best to not kill anyone. So, if we're not killing, or harming, or forcing ourselves on anyone stealing their joy, or peace then what would be considered sinful? I mean aside from a splinter in a persons pride, due to a spouse, or people who live differently, who may be afforded more luxury in life, or aside from someone getting the girl you really really really really liked, or the man for that matter, what is sin? Is it a sin to enjoy life and not cause harm, yet because of the act of enjoying something another coveted, its considered a sin by the one who was doing the coveting?
The gist is this: There's not much in life truly sinful. There, I said it. Some merely consider certain things sinful because of a splinter in the pride that tend to sting. In my opinion, and I do state this as an opinion, sin ... true sin is in forcing or the act of controlling forcefully others who hate and suffer because of that force. Wait ... that's not right ... it can't be! Sin is rather, ummm ... Hmmm ... What is sin again? Is there such a thing, or do we just make it up as we go, and develop laws and enforce them to help keep the peace?
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Proverbs 10:12
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Cool ... I looked up the Hebrew. Cloth conceal hide etc. So, I guess what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom, being that some view umm ... bumping uglies to be sinful. I'll humbly disagree ... I rather enjoy the openess of some and find it to be, sometimes but not always, a beautiful thing. Typically when they are thoroughly enjoying what they do as exhibitionist . Like strippers on a stage. Some are less appealing based in part on whether or not I can tell if they enjoy what they do, cause if they don't, what's the point ... aside from money, and if only for money, then I'll pass. I like it when people love what they do. Why? Because people who do what they love tend to be happier than those who don't love what they do. Hey ... How about that? Love covers all ... Now that's an amazing teaching. Thank you!
Sin comes from lack of love. Either towards self, or other as self.
Hell is a state of mind; where love is lacking for self, or for other as self. Just as the Kingdom of God comes within you; so too the kingdom of Hell. Love is the whole of the law. Love enlightens.
Matthew 6:22-23
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ZenMonkey
St. James VII
I'll take that as an agreement with my assessment. Shame is where sin begins. I guess it ends with, as you suggested, love towards, depending on what the term "love" means to you and/or how the term "love" is defined.
he who wishes to be greatest must be loving to all
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