Man made traditions from the Church or the Word of God - Who do you believe and follow?

Hi Phillip nice to meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Some comments for your consideration given below.

PruePhillip said:

Some use Sola Scripture for one point, and break it for the next thousand.

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And your point here Phillip in connection to the OP is?

PruePhillip said:

In Christianity the Sabbath came to mean the Sunday, the first day of the week. However there is no commandment to this effect in the NT. A reference to the "Sabbath's rest" in Hebrews 4:9-10 doesn't refer to a day but the spiritual
condition of resting from one's works.

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What you have pointed out in that there is no scripture in God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day is true. So if this practice is not biblical and JESUS warns us not to follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9 who are we following and why is the Church teaching us to depart from Gods' Word?

BTW, the context of Hebrews 4:9-11 is Hebrews 4:1-8 and it is discussing "God's rest" which is defined in these scriptures as God's "seventh day sabbath" not Sunday.

PruePhillip said:

But the "first day of the week" was symbolic to Christians because it was the day that Jesus rose from the grave. "Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre." Beginning with this Sunday, Jesus guided His disciples to gather every Sunday. Jesus appeared to the disciples on the following Sunday. It was on another Sunday (seven weeks after the resurrection) that the Holy Spirit appeared to the church on the day of Pentecost

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The disciples of JESUS met together everyday of the week *Acts 2:46:47. Jesus rested on the Sabbath in the tome according to the commandment and rose on the first day of the week it is true. This does not mean that God abolished his 4th commandment and made Sunday a Holy day of rest now does it or do any other of the scriptures you have provided here in relation to Sunday.

So no I do not think you have answered any of the questions in the OP here. The OP is only provided for thoughtful discussion and no disrespect to anyone. I believe God's people are in every church but God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9 back to the pure Word of God as God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

Thanks for sharing brother.

God bless.

3rdAngel said:

Hi Steve, nice to meet you too and thanks for sharing here. I think some people have tried to do this as in the European calander. Although all it is really doing is trying to change God's time to mans time. The AntiChrist is said to try to do this very thing in Daniel 7:25. God's time is not man and in my view God's laws cannot be changed by man as God has given them to us to give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break them *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4

God bless

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But which calendar are we talking about? Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Sunday is the first day of the week and that Saturn's Day is the seventh day of the week?

Besides, if what you're saying is true, wouldn't that mean that everyone who takes Sunday as a day off would be breaking God's commandment? Are we supposed to work six days out of the week and only take one day off for rest? I don't think very many people would take to that.

3rdAngel said:

Hi Phillip nice to meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Some comments for your consideration given below.
And your point here Phillip in connection to the OP is?
The disciples of JESUS met together everyday of the week *Acts 2:46:47. Jesus rested on the Sabbath in the tome according to the commandment and rose on the first day of the week it is true. This does not mean that God abolished his 4th commandment and made Sunday a Holy day of rest now does it or do any other of the scriptures you have provided here in relation to Sunday.

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The point re breaking commandments is that churches will go to great pains to show
how they are keeping a specific scripture - and omit a ton of other scripture. The
issue of homosexuality in the church is a glaring point - many churches rightly
pointed out the bible's position on homosexuality, yet ignored the issue of divorce and
remarriage. This was something that effected about half the congregation.

Certainly people did meet daily (must have had a lot of time) and it was in the temple
courts. But there is only one "Lord's day" and soon there was no more temple courts.
John was "in the spirit on the Lord's day", if this was every day he would have said,
"I was in the spirit one day...."

The NT is the spiritualization of the OT. Hence we have no high priest, no sacrifice,
no temple, no Jerusalem, no Israel, no Holiest of Holies etc.. Because Jesus is our
great high priest who sacrificed "once and for all" and through him we become the
God's people and God's Israel - and as "God does not dwell in temples made with
hands" He can dwell within us.

Stevicus said:

But which calendar are we talking about? Does it say anywhere in the Bible that Sunday is the first day of the week and that Saturn's Day is the seventh day of the week?

Besides, if what you're saying is true, wouldn't that mean that everyone who takes Sunday as a day off would be breaking God's commandment? Are we supposed to work six days out of the week and only take one day off for rest? I don't think very many people would take to that.

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Good post Steve and good questions. In God's Word the nomenculture for the weekly days is day 1; day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6 (preparation day) and Sabbath (seventh day of the week). Our current weekly names have their origin from paganism. So biblically the "first day of the week" is in reference to our "Sunday" today.

Now to your other question? According to the scriptures God has his people in every church *John 10:16 living up to all the knowledge of his Word that he has revealed to them. Many unknowingly break God's 4th commandment because that is what they have been taught wrongly by the mainstream churches that are teaching man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9.

According to God's Word in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at *James 4:17 but when he gives his people a knowledge of the truth calls on us to believe and follow his Word *Acts 17:30-31. If we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to follow sin that is when we are held accountable to sin because we have been given a knowledge of it and reject God's Word *Acts 17:20-31; Hebrews 10:26-39.

God is a Spirit and God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditons that break the commandments of God back to the pure words of God to worship him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-4.

God bless

PruePhillip said:

The point re breaking commandments is that churches will go to great pains to show how they are keeping a specific scripture - and omit a ton of other scripture.

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Great point Steve, this is what the OP is trying to show I guess as well. The question here once you understand this is who are we really following if we are not following what God Word says?

PruePhillip said:

Certainly people did meet daily (must have had a lot of time) and it was in the temple courts.

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Indeed, but in those same scriptures provided in Acts 2:47-48 it says also that they met daily in their homes breaking bread together.

PruePhillip said:

But there is only one "Lord's day" and soon there was no more temple courts. John was "in the spirit on the Lord's day", if this was every day he would have said, "I was in the spirit one day...."

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Interesting when you study "THE LORDS DAY" through the scriptures and it's application to "Sunday" you will find this is only another man made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. There is no scripture in God's Word that linked Sunday or the first day of the week to "THE LORDS DAY". According to the scriptures alone "THE LORDS DAY" is the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8. We might save this one though for another thread.

PruePhillip said:

The NT is the spiritualization of the OT. Hence we have no high priest, no sacrifice, no temple, no Jerusalem, no Israel, no Holiest of Holies etc.. Because Jesus is our great high priest who sacrificed "once and for all" and through him we become the God's people and God's Israel - and as God does not dwell in temples made with hands He can dwell within us.

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Great point here Phillip many do not know about the shadow laws of Hebrews 7 - 10 that are fulfilled from the Mosaic book of the law that are fulfilled in JESUS and God's plan od salvation in the new covenant.

Thanks for sharing brother. Some great points you made there.

God bless.

3rdAngel said:

According to God's Word in the new covenant God's LAW (10 Commandments) were given to God's people and to give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteosness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we knowingly break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Those who are born of God do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-10. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:3-10; 1 john 2:3-4

God bless

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There is no scripture that says the 10 commandments are the law of the new Covenant. That was part of the old Covenant which is why Moses put the stone tablets into the ark of the Covenant. The ark of the covenant is the ark of the old Covenant. Symbolic of the whole covenant between God and the earthly nation of Israel. A people that were unregenerate and not born again. They were still a fleshly nation.

The true Law of the new Covenant which is the perfect Law of liberty is the holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:6
John 4:23-24

3rdAngel said:

Interesting when you study "THE LORDS DAY" through the scriptures and it's application to "Sunday" you will find this is only another man made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. There is no scripture in God's Word that linked Sunday or the first day of the week to "THE LORDS DAY". According to the scriptures alone "THE LORDS DAY" is the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8. We might save this one though for another thread.

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John didn't say "the Sabbath"
In that Jesus rose on the Sunday and met ONLY on three Sundays is of importance.
And also, ALL Christians observed the Sunday - Apostolic Christians and Apostate
Christians alike. This was widely understood by people who knew the Apostles and
maybe even knew Jesus. No-one disabused the first Christians of Sunday worship,
not even James, the brother of Jesus.
Observing the Jewish Sabbath became a selling point or differential in later times.

Hi 74x12 nice to see you again. Some comments are provided for you below for your consideration

74x12 said:

There is no scripture that says the 10 commandments are the law of the new Covenant.

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According to God's Word in the new covenant, God's LAW (10 commandments) give us the knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Rightouesness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to God's Word in the new covenant if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated through out the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Matthew 12:1-12; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 5:17-19; Hebrews 4:1-11; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revalation 1:10; 12:17:14:12: 22:14
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

74x12 said:

That was part of the old Covenant which is why Moses put the stone tablets into the ark of the Covenant. The ark of the covenant is the ark of the old Covenant. Symbolic of the whole covenant between God and the earthly nation of Israel. A people that were unregenerate and not born again. They were still a fleshly nation.

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Actually no brother. The old covenant was made up of both God's 10 Commanments *Exodus 34:28 and the "shadow laws" from the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7. Together these made up the old covenant. God's Law (10 commandments) were placed inside the ark of the covenant under the mercy seat *Deuteronomy 10:5 while the book of the covenant * Exodus 24:7 was placed in the side of the ark * Deuteronomy 31:26, Together they made up the old covenant.

It is the book of the covenant and shadow laws for remission of sin and the levitical priesthood and sanctuary laws and sin offering s that have been done away in the new covenant *Hebrews 7-10. While God's Law (10 Commandments) in the new covenant give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; John 3:4 and according to God's Word in the new covenant if we break any one of God's 10 commandment we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11.

74x12 said:

The true Law of the new Covenant which is the perfect Law of liberty is the holy Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:6 John 4:23-24

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The new covenant is God's law written in the heart to love and love is the fulfilling of the law in the life of the believer *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:1-4.

Hope this helps.

PruePhillip said:

John didn't say "the Sabbath"
In that Jesus rose on the Sunday and met ONLY on three Sundays is of importance.
And also, ALL Christians observed the Sunday - Apostolic Christians and Apostate
Christians alike. This was widely understood by people who knew the Apostles and
maybe even knew Jesus. No-one disabused the first Christians of Sunday worship,
not even James, the brother of Jesus.
Observing the Jewish Sabbath became a selling point or differential in later times.

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John was referring to JESUS as the creator God and Lord of the Sabbath. There is no scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "Sunday or the first day of the week". This is a man made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. According to the scriptures alone and JESUS "THE LORDS DAY" is the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8.

3rdAngel said:

John was referring to JESUS as the creator God and Lord of the Sabbath. There is no scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "Sunday or the first day of the week". This is a man made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. According to the scriptures alone and JESUS "THE LORDS DAY" is the Sabbath day *Matthew 12:8.

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The "Lord's day" had another meaning when Jesus rose and appeared
to them on three separate Sundays as they were gathered IN SERVICE.
Why do YOU think the Christians honored the Sunday in the First Century?

PruePhillip said:

The "Lord's day" had another meaning when Jesus rose and appeared to them on three separate Sundays as they were gathered IN SERVICE.
Why do YOU think the Christians honored the Sunday in the First Century?

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As shown earlier brother there is no scripture that says that "THE LORDS DAY" is Sunday or the first day of the week. "THE LORDS DAY" according to the scriptures alone is the sabbath day *Matthew 12:8. Sunday proclaimed as "THE LORDS DAY" is simply a man made teaching and tradition handed down that is not supported by Gods' Word. God's people worship God everyday of the week and have kept God's 4th commandment all through time unbroken to this very present day. Many churches today are teaching people things that are not biblical and leading people away from Gods Word.

3rdAngel said:

As shown earlier brother there is no scripture that says that "THE LORDS DAY" is Sunday or the first day of the week. "THE LORDS DAY" according to the scriptures alone is the sabbath day *Matthew 12:8. Sunday proclaimed as "THE LORDS DAY" is simply a man made teaching and tradition handed down that is not supported by Gods' Word. God's people worship God everyday of the week and have kept God's 4th commandment all through time unbroken to this very present day. Many churches today are teaching people things that are not biblical and leading people away from Gods Word.

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This comes back to an old question, "Where does it say in the bible....?"
Early Christians did not follow The Law. Little was spelled out.
What was the ministry of Jesus? How was service to be conducted?
Do we have a priesthood? What was wrong with Peter asking to build
tabernacles? How do we handle adultery? How should we dress?

Jesus gave His life as Example. And so to did the Apostles and others
in the itinerant Ministry. Most questions about service were answered
with "What would Jesus do?"

The simplicity of that answer offends many people.

And Jesus didn't appear those three times without consideration of
where these people were, what they were doing and what day of the
week they met. Had these people began having a service on Sunday
instead of Saturday and it wasn't to Jesus' liking he would have met
with them on Saturday, or told them explicitly what was required.

3rdAngel said:

Nope none of these say Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they?

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The Sabbath does not apply to the people today.
The Sabbath applies only to the Israelites.
The Sabbath does not even apply to Israelis.

You have quoted the verse which proves that the Sabbath is passe:

Colossians 2:16-17 New Living Translation (NLT)
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.



So from the Bible it says - so don't let anyone condemn you for not celebrating [the] Sabbaths.
Am I right or I am correct?

And this verse is from the New Testament bible.
sure there is the celebration of the Sabbath in the old testament and it is for the Israelites
The 7th day Adventists, some Pentecostal churches and Judaism observe the Sabbath
But do they really know to observe the Sabbath according to the Bible?
Do they kill the person they see not observing the Sabbath?
Because the biblical Sabbath requires the violator to be killed by stoning.



Exodus 31:14 New Living Translation (NLT)
You must keep the Sabbath day, for it is a holy day for you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.

Exodus 31:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the Lord. Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.

If you really - really observe the Sabbath then you should put to death anyone not observing the Sabbath.
If you can't then that is not really observing the Sabbath.
That would be hypocrisy, isn't it?

PruePhillip said:

This comes back to an old question, "Where does it say in the bible....?"
Early Christians did not follow The Law. Little was spelled out.
What was the ministry of Jesus? How was service to be conducted?
Do we have a priesthood? What was wrong with Peter asking to build
tabernacles? How do we handle adultery? How should we dress?

Jesus gave His life as Example. And so to did the Apostles and others
in the itinerant Ministry. Most questions about service were answered
with "What would Jesus do?"

The simplicity of that answer offends many people.

And Jesus didn't appear those three times without consideration of
where these people were, what they were doing and what day of the
week they met. Had these people began having a service on Sunday
instead of Saturday and it wasn't to Jesus' liking he would have met
with them on Saturday, or told them explicitly what was required.

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Some good points Phillip although nothing you have posted here says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a man-made teaching that breaks the commandments of God and has no basis in the scriptures handed down to us from mainstream Churches. God is calling us back to his pure Word.

MJFlores said:

The Sabbath does not apply to the people today.
The Sabbath applies only to the Israelites.
The Sabbath does not even apply to Israelis.

You have quoted the verse which proves that the Sabbath is passe:

Colossians 2:16-17 New Living Translation (NLT)
So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

So from the Bible it says - so don't let anyone condemn you for not celebrating [the] Sabbaths.
Am I right or I am correct?

And this verse is from the New Testament bible.
sure there is the celebration of the Sabbath in the old testament and it is for the Israelites
The 7th day Adventists, some Pentecostal churches and Judaism observe the Sabbath
But do they really know to observe the Sabbath according to the Bible?
Do they kill the person they see not observing the Sabbath?
Because the biblical Sabbath requires the violator to be killed by stoning.

Exodus 31:14 New Living Translation (NLT)
You must keep the Sabbath day, for it is a holy day for you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.

Exodus 31:15 New Living Translation (NLT)
You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the Lord. Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.

If you really - really observe the Sabbath then you should put to death anyone not observing the Sabbath. If you can't then that is not really observing the Sabbath.
That would be hypocrisy, isn't it?

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Nope your mixed up here brother and only repeating yourself and not reading the posts and scriptures shared in love with you.

Col. 2:11-16 ? I have just started a new thread on this subject if your interested in discussing it with me in detail we will be looking at all the context, subject matter linking the old and new testament scripture to prove that Colossians 2 is not talking about God's 10 commandments at all.

Detailed thread on COL 2:11-16 has just started here. If you disagree please address this OP click me.

In short, COLOSSIANS 2:11-14 links to the OLD and NEW TESATMANT scriptures, the “CONTEXT”, “SUBJECT MATTER” and TOPIC OF CONVERSATION” of COL 2:11-14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL SHADOW LAWS IN ORDINANCES v14 (dogma used) written in the “SHADOW LAWS” from the MOSIAC BOOK of the old Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION in the NEW COVENANT. The “CONTEXT” and “SUBJECT MATTER” of COLOSSIANS 2:16 is not referring to ABOLISHING any one of God’s 10 Commandments. Neither can God's 4th commandment be a shadow law as it was a part of a finished work and a memorial of creation.

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For your interest as well in relation to your other old testament scriptures about people being put to death or stoned for breaking the Sabbath?

Nothing really changes here as the wages of sin is still death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Hebrews 10:26-39; Romans 6:23. We are in the new covenant now and vengence is mine says the Lord *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12. We are not in the old covenant now under the Mosaic civil laws of Israel.

Just out of interest under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant anyone openly breaking nearly anyone of God's 10 Commandments were put to death *Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Sammuel 26:19; Deuteronomy 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Leviticus 24:10-17; Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy21:18-21; Exodus 21:17; Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 20; JOHN 8:5; Exodus 21:16; Deuteronomy 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23

Soo nope brother you have not provided a single scripture that addresses a single question in relation to this OP. I am sure if you are honest you will see this.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

3rdAngel said:

Some good points Phillip although nothing you have posted here says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a man-made teaching that breaks the commandments of God and has no basis in the scriptures handed down to us from mainstream Churches. God is calling us back to his pure Word.

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Pure Word Old Testament, or Pure Word New Testament?

PruePhillip said:

Pure Word Old Testament, or Pure Word New Testament?

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Indeed brother. Together both the old and new testament make up the Word of God and are the two great witnesses that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation. The only difference here is that in the old covenant God's people in the old testament looked forward to the promised Messiah while we in the new testament look back.

God bless

3rdAngel said:

As shown earlier brother there is no scripture that says that "THE LORDS DAY" is Sunday or the first day of the week. "THE LORDS DAY" according to the scriptures alone is the sabbath day *Matthew 12:8. Sunday proclaimed as "THE LORDS DAY" is simply a man made teaching and tradition handed down that is not supported by Gods' Word. God's people worship God everyday of the week and have kept God's 4th commandment all through time unbroken to this very present day. Many churches today are teaching people things that are not biblical and leading people away from Gods Word.

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I feel crushingly let down by Jesus and His church.
They spiritualized the Sabbath and that's apparently
Not Good Enough.
What else isn't good enough? They spiritualized the
Sacrifice of the Lamb to mean Jesus - better get
myself a sheep.
They spiritualized Israel to be Christians - better
become a Jew.
Get the picture? The NT is a spiritualization of the
OT. The law of Moses was symbolic - the law of
Jesus is the true way.

3rdAngel said:

Good post Steve and good questions. In God's Word the nomenculture for the weekly days is day 1; day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6 (preparation day) and Sabbath (seventh day of the week). Our current weekly names have their origin from paganism. So biblically the "first day of the week" is in reference to our "Sunday" today.

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But that's just the point. It's not clearly written in the Bible that Sunday is the "first day of the week," so it appears that it's totally arbitrary and our choice. If we choose to make Sunday the "seventh day of the week," then that wouldn't violate any commandments.

Now to your other question? According to the scriptures God has his people in every church *John 10:16 living up to all the knowledge of his Word that he has revealed to them. Many unknowingly break God's 4th commandment because that is what they have been taught wrongly by the mainstream churches that are teaching man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9.

According to God's Word in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at *James 4:17 but when he gives his people a knowledge of the truth calls on us to believe and follow his Word *Acts 17:30-31. If we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to follow sin that is when we are held accountable to sin because we have been given a knowledge of it and reject God's Word *Acts 17:20-31; Hebrews 10:26-39.

God is a Spirit and God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditons that break the commandments of God back to the pure words of God to worship him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-4.

God bless

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All I can really say for sure is that I love weekends, of which Sunday is part.

PruePhillip said:

I feel crushingly let down by Jesus and His church.
They spiritualized the Sabbath and that's apparently
Not Good Enough.
What else isn't good enough? They spiritualized the
Sacrifice of the Lamb to mean Jesus - better get
myself a sheep.
They spiritualized Israel to be Christians - better
become a Jew.
Get the picture? The NT is a spiritualization of the
OT. The law of Moses was symbolic - the law of
Jesus is the true way.

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What we are discussing here is the traditions and teachings of men or the Word of God. Who do we believe and follow. We either have God's Word for our faith or we do not. JESUS says all those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God *Matthew 15:3-9. Something to pray about and seek JESUS for an understanding of his Word in my view.