whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Muslims feel Christians 'stand condemned' in their own sense... so Muslims should never hold office??
Sounds like Bernie is philosophically problematic.
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Should Democrats censor Bernie Sanders for grilling an appointee over his basic Chrisitan beliefs?
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Muslims feel Christians 'stand condemned' in their own sense... so Muslims should never hold office??
Sounds like Bernie is philosophically problematic.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Believing it is one thing. Openly stating it and using that to defend discrimination is another.
I don't believe that Bernie believes or that Christians believe that Muslims stand condemned.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
really?
John 3:16 - 24 says exactly that
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
That is the classic Christian position.
So Bernie feels anyone believing John 3:16 in context is not fit for office?
really?
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
If a Muslim running for office "...wrote that..." Christians are condemned, then that should be considered.
Sounds like Bernie is sticking to his moral compass.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Bernie did not say the logical equivalent to a Muslim group
He would not garner any votes from the left for that
Which suggests a political compass,
stick his finger in the air and see which way he thinks the wind is blowing
that is hardly a moral compass.
Not really. Bernie doesn't judge people "fit for office" based on scripture.
Thank god.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
That's an assumption. I am responding to the posted material.
Bernie's history suggests he's pretty steady with his compass.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
He lacked steadiness and reasonableness in that line of questioning... which by the way was unconstitutional according to Article IV of the constitution
Bernie Sanders's Religious Test for Christians in Public Office
He violated the constitution and Democrats are fine with it?
that's sad.
I seriously don't think his comments impacted the relationship between Feds and State.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
So it's OK for Bernie to disrespect the classical views of Christians and violate the constitution?
While crossing his fingers behind his back and saying he isn't?
It was unconstitutional according to article 4 as well as tacky.
Bernie Sanders's Religious Test for Christians in Public Office
Shouldn't some Democrat 'man up' and tell Bernie he was wong?
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
But that's the point, he wasn't specifically questioning the candidate's religious beliefs, only his views towards Muslims--and being a candidate for public office and Muslims are a part of our American community, the question is very relevant. Constitutionally relevant even!
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
The line of questioning was unconstitutional
Bernie Sanders's Religious Test for Christians in Public Office
He was saying someone who believed John chapter 3 is unfit for office or an appointment?
seriously?
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
The point he was attacking is straight out of John 3 which all Christians classically believe
of course he was attacking his personal faith
He also was attacking a Christian institution's long held beliefs
Is that the 'new Democrat talking points?"
that's sad
Let me be clear: it's okay for any individual in the world to disrespect the views of Christians--in that, I agree with the United States' first amendment. (Go Salman! #salmanrushdie #firstamendment #youarewrong)
And, again, I really don't think his words threaten the relationship between Feds and the State.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
He clearly violating article 4 of the constitution applying a reliiogus test for office or for a trustee of the government. He even picked a view from the most classic believes of Christinas from John 3
So if your not a postmodernitst like Bernie, you're unfit for office?
that's sad
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I did not see him in the video attacking the candidate based on religion, only on a possible bias towards Muslims.
The Biblical quote does not call out Muslims regardless. You appear to be the one using Scripture as a political weapon not Bernie.
I believe that discovery is properly conducted when it reveals a religious bias.
This benefits not only the constitution but the people of the nation.