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Direct line to God?

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
A 'direct line to god' is both a money maker and a vote winner; it may be total poppycock but too many people are gullible enough to believe people have such thing.
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
A 'direct line to god' is both a money maker and a vote winner; it may be total poppycock but too many people are gullible enough to believe people have such thing.
And also a ticket to a psychiatric ward, might I add
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!

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exchemist

Veteran Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!
A saint, perhaps?

But I rather agree I would be suspicious of anyone who claimed to have a direct line to God. I think with a real saint it would be something you come to sense about them, rather than being something they tell you.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!

If you believe the bible true then several people have had a direct line to God starting with Adam and Eve. If you believe Jesus to be god on Earth then even more people had a direct line with God. So the problem becomes for the Bible to be accurate people should be able to have a direct line to god and if people can't have a direct line to God then the bible cannot be accurate.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

Yes. As we are not truly separate from God, that apparent separation can diminish and God can be directly perceived.

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?

The word Saint could be used but it means different things to Catholics. The terms in the East, pir and satpurush could be used for those who experience God.

Those who have merged totally in God can be called perfection personified, qutub, sadguru, jivanmukta, paramhansa, brahmi bhoot and so forth depending on how the perfection manifests.

And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

Because the goal of life is to be united with God through love.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I'm puzzled again, how many steps up to get to God ?
Does Matthew help....
A straight line to.........................what ? where ?
Ahhh...imagination
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?

Normal

And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?


Without making an argument for the actuality of God, the God man knows exists as a creation of their unconscious mind. Obviously everyone has a direct connection to their unconscious mind.

If there is an actual God, why would we be like this? Why allow us the ability to create our own gods and experience a direct connection to them. Either God doesn't care about it or there is no one there.

If you begin to question anyone's connect to "God" why not question Moses' connection or Jesus' connection. Anyone of the prophets of the old testament. You want question someone connection to God, why not start there?

You have to take it on faith, yet your faith does not extend to certain people because...?

IMO. you are all in or you are all out. Why would God only elect a few to communicate through?
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!
Is the Holy Spirit God? Is the Holy Spirit in you? How is that not direct access to God then?
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
Is the Holy Spirit God? Is the Holy Spirit in you? How is that not direct access to God then?
I was thinking of people who have an extraordinary relationship with God, beyond what most humans can have, a relationship that sets them apart from others. And was thinking of God as in God the father, rather than God the son or the Holy Spirit...

But yes, I agree: the Holy Spirit can be present in all people / the Holy Spirit is God / therefore God can be present in all people

You've made me think: Perhaps the Holy Spirit is more present in some people than in others? And that perhaps having the Holy Spirit upon you to an unusual extent doesn't make you special or extraordinary? So it is therefore wrong to say that either yourself or some other person are extraordinary people on account of them having a close relationship with the Holy Spirit?

Saying "The Holy Spirit is upon me" sounds less insane than "I have a direct line to God" - I'd be sceptical of people claiming a direct line to God but I suppose claiming to be close to the Holy Spirit sounds less insane, as all people can be close to him to one extent or another - and he can be active in peoples lives, to one extent or another

I'm rating your post "winner" because you made me think
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!
Yes, interactions through Holy Ghosts and stuff are vastly less crazy. Makes sense.

Ciao

- viola
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!
Here Jesus spoke about "direct line":
23"But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” "
23"He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.” and from John.
 

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
If you believe the bible true then

Then, according to Jeremiah 17:5-8,
  • Cursed is he who trusts in man,
    Who makes mere flesh his strength,
    And turns his thoughts from the LORD.
    He shall be like a bush in the desert,
    Which does not sense the coming of good:
    It is set in the scorched places of the wilderness,
    In a barren land without inhabitant.
    Blessed is he who trusts in the LORD,
    Whose trust is the LORD alone.
    He shall be like a tree planted by waters,
    Sending forth its roots by a stream:
    It does not sense the coming of heat,
    Its leaves are ever fresh;
    It has no care in a year of drought,
    It does not cease to yield fruit.
  • And the cursed will not have a direct line to God but the blessed will.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But yes, I agree: the Holy Spirit can be present in all people / the Holy Spirit is God / therefore God can be present in all people

You've made me think: Perhaps the Holy Spirit is more present in some people than in others?
I'll try stretching your thinking a little more, since you liked me making you think in the last post. ;)

Rather than thinking of the Spirit as being more in this person and less in that person, try thinking of it from the perspective of human experience instead. Some people have more experience of the same Spirit that is within then, then another person does of that same Spirit inside them. It's not Spirit that is the variable, but the person's experience of what they both equally have.

A simple analogy is that of two people breathing the same air in the same space, but one can breathe freely, and the other is struggling because he has blocked nasal passages. It's not that there is more air for that one person. It's the same air for both. It's just a struggle to get the air into their lungs for that one person because he should blow the snot out of his nose so he can breathe better. He needs to do some housekeeping, in other words.

Now things become much simpler to talk about.

And that perhaps having the Holy Spirit upon you to an unusual extent doesn't make you special or extraordinary? So it is therefore wrong to say that either yourself or some other person are extraordinary people on account of them having a close relationship with the Holy Spirit?
I would say if someone is truly connected with God, they are extraordinary in the sense that what they say and do tends to come mostly through humility and grace and a deep abiding love that comes through God.

That makes it extraordinary in this world, but it's not that that person themselves is anything special. They aren't any more special than anyone else. The only difference is that they are in tune with their true Self, whereas most others struggle down in their egos in how they live their lives.

Saying "The Holy Spirit is upon me" sounds less insane than "I have a direct line to God" - I'd be sceptical of people claiming a direct line to God but I suppose claiming to be close to the Holy Spirit sounds less insane, as all people can be close to him to one extent or another - and he can be active in peoples lives, to one extent or another
God is active in our lives solely to the extent that we let it be. It only appears that God isn't there, because we're wrapped up being distracted elsewhere, rather than right in front of you and inside you. But rather than saying the spirit is "upon" you, it's better to just say you are at peace with God in yourself.

I'm rating your post "winner" because you made me think
Thanks.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Many crazy people claim to have a direct line to God

Crazy people claiming to have a direct line to God are a fairly common thing in this world

However, (as a Christian) I believe God interacts with humankind through the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, thus negating the need for individuals who have a direct line to him!

I therefore very much doubt the idea that people can have a direct line to God but nonetheless find the idea interesting

But putting this to one side, I have some questions:

Is it possible for a person to have a direct line to God - an extraordinary relationship that's beyond the usual relationship humans have with God?

What would you call a person who truly does have a direct line to God?


And would God ever actually give someone a direct line to him – and if so, why?

I’m not sure how I’d answer these, but I don’t think God would ever communicate with humankind through a person humankind would consider insane: I believe his message is far too important to be placed in the care of schizophrenics

But I’d still be interested to hear how people would answer these three questions of mine, even though I don’t believe God would ever give people a direct line to him!

(as a Christian) I believe that the age humankind is currently in is a post-prophet age, and that although God sent prophets in the past, since Jesus came there has been no need for any further prophets. If someone came to me telling me he or she was a prophet I would demand miracles as proof they were from God – and I bet none of the people in this age who claim to have a direct line to God can perform miracles!

I’d therefore say that such a person (with a direct line to God) would be a prophet, however I do not believe we are in an age of prophets, and would be massively skeptical about anyone claiming to be a prophet – I’d want miracles! So basically, I'd consider a person claiming a direct line to God insane!

I would therefore consider such a person insane, but if I didn't consider them insane I'd say they were a prophet. However, I don't believe we are in an age of prophets. So I'd think they're insane...

Basically, I'd say a person claiming a direct line to God to be a false prophet but not necessarily a malicious false prophet, I'm sure you can get benign false prophets!

It's confusing, but I've learned that even if you have severe schizophrenia there's still a direct line from God. There are no signs to the unbelieving also.

I believed in Aliens for a while, but because I thought the world would almost surely end I had a broken heart and a contrite spirit trying to help it, thus making me baptized by fire.
 
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