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What I seek in a Christian church.
- Thread starter Jonathan Bailey
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Riders
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What does Gays and lesbians have to do with that?Those churches fornication and adultery those would be for heterosexuals not GLBTs.
In my sexual addiction do you know how many conservative Christian heterosexual married men came onto me?
Riders
Well-Known Member
What does any of that have to do with the topic?Your off topic.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Gay sex, along with fornication and adultery, are all sins in the Bible / church.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I want you to think on what you actually mean by these as it seems you are unaware.
1. I am personally LGBT. But I refuse to identify with most of them, because I have come to the conclusion rhat most LGBT ppl, far from being proud, are actually ashamed. They are ashamed because they read 1 Corinthians 6 only as a condemnation of the LGBT ppl, and as a result lose sight of the actual passage. The passage tells that "sexually immoral (sometimes: men who lie with men), drunkards, etc will not enter the kingdom" and most fundies end it there because THE VERY NEXT VERSE doesn't support what they say. These things ARE sins, and if you say you have no sin, you're lying. However , the next verse reminds us that our sins are washed with the blood of Jesus. I'm an LGBT person but I make no special demands for my church besides being welcoming. I'm transfeminine btw.
2. Suppose Adolf Hitler got arrested. He killed not only Jews, but a large number of LGBT ppl. Suppose you were to say "Nope don't believe in death penalty" and yet you're trying to convince your own LGBT group of this? Sometimes people get punished for the good of all ppl around them who would otherwise be hurt. However the punishment of this world is temporary, and I don't believe in eternal torment.
3. You have been misinformed. First off, there is not an overpopulation problem. There is a resource mismanagement problem, where food is sold at 10x its actual price, along with other goods, in order to make profit. Second. If you'll notice, the countries where ppl tend to have 12 children are not those Christian countries in the West (with or without Christianity, our current population average is 1.2 children or less) but places in Africa or Asia where poverty necessitates large families in hopes that one of them lives to adulthood.
4. Contraception is available at any corner store. This is not the 1950s where ppl are gasping over a teacher being on the pill, or someone buying condoms. That you don't know this means you are likely in some sort of bubble. What Christians who are real Christians aren't okay with is the deeply hypocritical stance against capital punishment for rapists, murderers, and thugs yet innocent babies are allowed to be killed in the name of abortion.
5. See #4. You're another hypocrite who rejects capital punishment yet supports sacrifices to Moloch (look it up)
6. And most Christians would agree with you. Most Christians live in small towns, surrounded by trees and farms. Most liberals however live in cities and have no concept of environmentalism . In fact, recycling AT ALL COSTS led to a mass program to send recyclables by boat to China. Many of these plastics ENDED UP IN THE WATER.
7. What do you think we are doing? The Middle East conflict involves ppl spreading into Europe, US, even Australia with the purpose of taking over everyone. As much as I'd like to leave them to it until they come to our country... oh wait, they have come to our country, and some of them are Senators! We need to stop these ppl we are at war with.
8. Ummm I'm afraid most of the ppl running adoption clinics are Christian. Meanwhile most of those running abortion clinics are not. You are talking out both sides of your mouth here, being in support of adoption but wanting contraceptives and abortion. Make up your mind!
9. Uhhhh that's what the NRA wants. Thet also recognize that the real reason to own a gun is to protect from the government itself becoming too powerful. But you probably couldn't join the NRA except as a donor, because you are too far out of touch with them.
10. This is what a church is supposed to be about. Bur I assume by giving, you don't mean offerinngs sent to help the poor but some sort of socialist wet dream.
11. Hahahaha!!! Ummm you just supported guns with a very leftist agenda. You supported abortion and adipted as rhough they weren't mutually exclusive. The hypocrite is you.
12. It sounds like you have some problem understanding what church is for. Most churches will do that.
Based on your utter confusion, I can safely say there is no need to make a new church or remake a church to fit you. Join the Unitarian Church. And donate to the NRA.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
You really should look at the context of the times. Also, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are explained in Ezekiel 16:49-50. If you don't take context into it, you can make the verses mean what you want.
I think the 12 is in contradiction with the 1,2,3,5,9.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
There's more than Ezekiel 16:49-50, there's Jude 7 also:
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.
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Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Divided into thousands of parts.......
Just like a human body.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
This is all so stupid and shallow. So glad not to be Christian anymore.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Flush.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Just venting. When I see how narrow right wing Christians are, it reminds me of how I was. I wasn't so negative as I was when I was fundamentalist. How embarrassing.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
God's truths are narrow according to the Bible.
But beware of Liberal Fundamentalism
"Despite the idealistic goals of liberalism, attempts to build a Utopian liberal society in America have only led to heightened outbreaks of AIDS, VD, porno-related crime, social divisions, divorce, abortion, drug addictions, deficit spending, the welfare state, a crushing tax burden, the breakdown of the family unit, moral depravity, and numerous other such scourges which have resulted in enormous societal suffering and discontent. As a result, liberal fundamentalism is strongly associated with left-wing fanaticism, reverse-racism, anti-intellectualism, elitism, nihilism, godlessness, and societal violence."
Liberal Fundamentalism
Congratulations.
[QUOTE="shunyadragon, post: 6374237, member: 61872"....... but there are some churches that believe their church is the only church, and of course the 'Body of Christ' in their own interpretation. Also it is common for people to form their own church based on a punch list like started this thread.[/QUOTE]
I wonder, why else would a person belong to a denomination unless he believed that was the right one ________
After all, I find Jesus said MANY would come ' in his name ' but they would prove false as per Matthew 7:21-23.
Since the Bible has corresponding cross-reference parallel verses and passages by topic and subject then the Bible is not open to just any interpretation.
A comprehensive concordance puts the Bible in alphabetical subject order for us.
This way we can see the internal harmony among the many different Bible writers.
Just as other books have a theme so too does the Bible.
The Bible's theme is the same theme of Jesus' teaching about the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Only Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom, can and will establish global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
This is why Jesus instructed to tell others about God's Kingdom (thy kingdom come....) at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
I wonder, why else would a person belong to a denomination unless he believed that was the right one ________
After all, I find Jesus said MANY would come ' in his name ' but they would prove false as per Matthew 7:21-23.
Since the Bible has corresponding cross-reference parallel verses and passages by topic and subject then the Bible is not open to just any interpretation.
A comprehensive concordance puts the Bible in alphabetical subject order for us.
This way we can see the internal harmony among the many different Bible writers.
Just as other books have a theme so too does the Bible.
The Bible's theme is the same theme of Jesus' teaching about the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44.
Only Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom, can and will establish global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
This is why Jesus instructed to tell others about God's Kingdom (thy kingdom come....) at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
There is a difference between finding the church you believe is right for you and you are comfortable with and believing the church is the only right church and all the others are false or in some way lacking the true message of Salvation.
Right, a BIG difference in finding the church (Christian congregation) right for God, comfortable and believing the only right church with God.
So, it is Not one's personal comfort nor personal belief but what is Scriptural and Not a man-made teaching outside of Scripture but just being taught as being Scripture.
To me comfortable can mean going along with the majority, comfort does Not necessarily make the majority as being right.
Jesus wants quality and Not necessarily quantity.
After all, Jesus said MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove false as per Matthew 7:21-23.
Not quite right.
So . . . ??? This does not take into consideration what you propose is not consistent with the many conflicting diverse churches and believers who claim what you are describing, and would not agree with you and claim their way is the only way.
It is very apparent, because of the subjective nature of the interpretations, many if not most make the choices that appeal to their own personal comfort choice.
What a load of slander with no basis in scientific studies. And sad that you attempt to tar the left as being anti intellectual whilst at the same time having no scientific studies to back your claims.