Refuting the Christian Rationalizations of God Sending People to Hell

we end up alongside others like ourselves

could be heaven

could be hell

but how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

Hubert Farnsworth said:

Whenever someone brings up the fact that a being who sends people to hell must be a moral monster, the typical response by Christians is something along the lines of "God gives people a choice to accept his offer of salvation or not, and God is just giving those who don't accept his offer what they want by not saving them since they never asked to be saved." However, this rationalization fails miserably and still makes the Christian god out to be a monster. For an analogy, consider a parent who is watching their child swim in a lake and can see that the child is drowning. Now suppose that the child does not ask to be saved or even outright rejects the parent's offers for help, and says "I don't need you, I can save myself!" Would a loving and benevolent parent who KNEW the child could not save themself sit back, watch the child drown and say "Fine. I won't save you because you rejected my offer" or would the parent save the child anyway? The parent who lets the child drown simply because the child rejected the offer for help is of course evil, and if this scenario happened in real life, we would immediately demand that the parent face prison time. Yet when Christians imagine their god doing the same thing, they call him "loving", "fair", and "just." Pretty ironic, isn't it?

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The scripture says they are not His children. As it says in the parable of the tares among the wheat. the owner of the field speaking of the tares sown among the wheat says "An enemy has done this".

Milton Platt said:

Yes, so is an infinite punishment for a finite crime.

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What's interesting is, not even humans think like that. Most prisoners most likely get out one time or another. That would be something to throw someone in prison for life or the death penalty because he stole a candy bar from a dollar store. (since all sins are equal)

Darkforbid said:

Is there anything sadder than Atheists who hang around religious forums?

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Yes. People who thinks that atheists shouldn't hang around religious forums because they do not like it when their beliefs are being challenged and can't come up with anything to support it. It's sad that someone is ignorant about religious atheists and nonreligious theists. It's sad that someone thinks atheists shouldn't debate about religion in the religious debate section of a religious forum.

So again, the answer to your question is, yes, there are sadder things.

night912 said:

Yes. People who thinks that atheists shouldn't hang around religious forums because they do not like it when their beliefs are being challenged and can't come up with anything to support it. It's sad that someone is ignorant about religious atheists and nonreligious theists. It's sad that someone thinks atheists shouldn't debate about religion in the religious debate section of a religious forum.

So again, the answer to your question is, yes, there are sadder things.

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Yes I am total ignorant as to what a religious atheist is, please explain

lostwanderingsoul said:

God gives people choices. If someone ends up being punished it is because that person made the wrong choice. God is not to blame when a person is punished, the person is to blame

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Nobody chooses hell and whos to choose who makes a wrong choice and what the right God is? Christians say they'res is but theres no proof, why no Allah the Muslim God?

Riders said:

Nobody chooses hell and whos to choose who makes a wrong choice and what the right God is? Christians say they'res is but theres no proof, why no Allah the Muslim God?

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Because Jews Christians and Muslims all follow the same God

Darkforbid said:

Yes I am total ignorant as to what a religious atheist is, please explain

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Combine religious and atheist.

Thirza Fallen said:

Most of us were Christian at one time. We tend to know the Bible better than current Christians.

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With 2 billion Christians, it is easy to compare yourself with those who know less. It doesn't mean you are right because there are those who know the Bible more than you and I and say it is true.

night912 said:

Combine religious and atheist.

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So no idea then

Darkforbid said:

Yes I am total ignorant as to what a religious atheist is, please explain

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Religiousness may be defined : very devoted and faithful (merriam-webster)

from Greek atheos "without god, denying the gods; abandoned of the gods; godless, ungodly," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts).

An atheist holds on to the position and are devoted and faithful to the position that there is no God but have no proof that it is so. Their faith, to which they religiously hold onto, is that there is no God yet have no proof that they are right.

Thus a religious atheist

RayJeena said:

Exactly. God is already supposedly forcing a
person to pick between only two choices,
heaven/hell.
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Quite.

"Your honour, I can't be guilty of murder! I allowed that woman to exercise her free will, either she marries me or she gets shot in the head. The decision was entirely her own and I can in no way be held responsible."

Darkforbid said:

You think the book of noah was written by God?

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No, according to the 'Book of Noah?' God ordered the world Flood as described in the OT, and confirmed it in the NT as ordered by God.

Thief said:

but how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

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God of the Bible takes responsibility for the nature of humanity.

Base12 said:

You are absolutely, one hundred percent correct. As a Fundamental Christian, I can attest to that fact.

A loving God sending people to an eternity of torments is completely psychotic at minimum.

Yet... it's not Biblical. Not even close. It's a complete fabrication. One of the biggest lies ever told.

Here is the answer to the biggest contradiction taught in the history of all religions...

Are you ready?

Reincarnation.

That's it.

Reincarnation explains everything and is completely Biblical no matter how much your average Christian hems, haws, screams, yells, curses etc.

If the Church were to teach this again, as it did a long time ago, Christianity would flourish.

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Interesting video. Thanks for posting it.

Darkforbid said:

But you're not talking about children. You saying God should force salvation, despite the will of person in question

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So, are you saying you would also let a peer of yours (an adult, the same age as you) drown if they didn't ask for, or refused your help?

In other words... think before you post.

Hubert Farnsworth said:

Whenever someone brings up the fact that a being who sends people to hell must be a moral monster, the typical response by Christians is something along the lines of "God gives people a choice to accept his offer of salvation or not, and God is just giving those who don't accept his offer what they want by not saving them since they never asked to be saved." However, this rationalization fails miserably and still makes the Christian god out to be a monster. For an analogy, consider a parent who is watching their child swim in a lake and can see that the child is drowning. Now suppose that the child does not ask to be saved or even outright rejects the parent's offers for help, and says "I don't need you, I can save myself!" Would a loving and benevolent parent who KNEW the child could not save themself sit back, watch the child drown and say "Fine. I won't save you because you rejected my offer" or would the parent save the child anyway? The parent who lets the child drown simply because the child rejected the offer for help is of course evil, and if this scenario happened in real life, we would immediately demand that the parent face prison time. Yet when Christians imagine their god doing the same thing, they call him "loving", "fair", and "just." Pretty ironic, isn't it?

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I'm afraid that most of your beef with Christianity is based on a false version that someone, even a preacher (fundamentalists have a great deal to answer for) presented you.

I don't even believe in Hell, at least not as you see it.

Hell, strictly speaking, is not fire or torture, or strictly speaking, but rather a simple separation from God. And I've felt this before, without having died. But it's an illusion. Romans 8 assures us that nothing can separate us from the love of God. And it cannot be anything more than an illusion.

My friend, convinced that her life was horrible, probably killed herself (being online and in Germany, I have no way of knowing), but yet I will never stop being worried for her. If I can be worried for her, surely God with the power of life and death, understands her pain and has a solution. So, no, Hell if it exists, is somewhere you send yourself not God sending you, and you do it by wanting to punish yourself.

Nor is the purpose of Christianity to be a good person so you can get into Heaven. Heaven is simply the state of being close to God. In actual fact, the core teaching of Protestantism is that you cannot earn Heaven, it's given to you at God's whim. So anyone who told you that you have to work hard and change who you are is lying to you. You have to love yourself, in order to love others. That's it.

Darkforbid said:

Is there anything sadder than Atheists who hang around religious forums?

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If that is the saddest thing you can think of then you definitely need to get out more. Sheesh. And you'd better not be one of those theists who claims that the world is getting worse and worse all the time if THAT is the saddest thing you could possibly contemplate. I could come up with a list, many thousands of items long, of things that I find to be far more sad than that, both historically, contemporarily and hypothetically. An atheist hanging around religious forums may as well be "bliss" compared to some of the saddest things I have heard of. And if this is really the saddest thing you can think of, then you must be one generally happy guy. Seriously.

In other words, once again... think before you post.

shunyadragon said:

God of the Bible takes responsibility for the nature of humanity.

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so if the angels decide you are some kind of schmuck.....
it's not your fault?

Base12 said:

You are absolutely, one hundred percent correct. As a Fundamental Christian, I can attest to that fact.

A loving God sending people to an eternity of torments is completely psychotic at minimum.

Yet... it's not Biblical. Not even close. It's a complete fabrication. One of the biggest lies ever told.

Here is the answer to the biggest contradiction taught in the history of all religions...

Are you ready?

Reincarnation.

That's it.

Reincarnation explains everything and is completely Biblical no matter how much your average Christian hems, haws, screams, yells, curses etc.

If the Church were to teach this again, as it did a long time ago, Christianity would flourish.

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Hell Bible Verses

• Revelation 21:8
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  8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
• Matthew 25:46
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  46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
• Psalm 9:17
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  17 The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God.
• 2 Thessalonians 1:9
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  9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
• Matthew 13:50
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  50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
• Acts 2:27
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  27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.
• Mark 9:43
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  43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
• Jude 1:7
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  7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
• Proverbs 15:24
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  24 The path of life leads upward for the prudent to keep them from going down to the realm of the dead.
• Proverbs 23:14
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  14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death.

• Matthew 13:42
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  42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
• Matthew 25:41
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  41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
• Revelation 19:20
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  20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
• Proverbs 15:11
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  11 Death and Destruction lie open before the LORD— how much more do human hearts!
• Matthew 16:19
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  19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bebound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will beloosed in heaven.”
• 2 Peter 2:4
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  4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
• Revelation 20:13-14
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  13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
• Matthew 10:28
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  28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
• Ezekiel 18:20
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  20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.