nPeace
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So you do agree that one can leave the field of magnets, and have their compass always read accurately? Of course that won't happen, if one is attracted to the field of magnets, for whatever reason.
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Good and Evil
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So you do agree that one can leave the field of magnets, and have their compass always read accurately? Of course that won't happen, if one is attracted to the field of magnets, for whatever reason.
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Lets pretend that the term name means exactly what it means, and not a literal name like Emanuel, or Yashua, or Jesus ... Ok? Onoma Greek look it up in strongs concordance. Jesus was a pretty cool guy but then he was a rebel too (obviously). Also, I'll use my standard and be true and stand on what's true for me. I would suggest you do the same. Also, as he was so are we, so if that's true what's gonna happen on the level of your friendship when it comes to him? I'm just saying....
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
I hate lots of things and I'll be honest about it. Unconditional love? Yeah, I'm there but I'm not ya know? I would prefer everyone find happiness (even the devil) if there is one, but being this way and so often attacked for that alone, I find myself jaded and frustrated and angry, and yet I don't hate people but sometimes I kinda do. I hate the bs, th ehypocrisy, the self rigteous ... so called righteous indignation and all the perverted judgement or flse judgement or rather the judgement of people they know nothing about because they happen to do something they ummm ... don't agree with.
You've lost me.....can you please explain what you mean here?
What or whose "name" are you referring to?
Can I assume that you are a gun-loving Southern American?
I cannot understand the mindset.Perhaps your upbringing is in conflict with the teachings of Christ? What might be your "standard", and "true" for you, may be far removed from what Jesus taught....I have given you scripture to demonstrate the validity of the Christian position....what have you given me except excuses? How are you in a position to make suggestions that to me are against everything Jesus taught? Just sayin'.....
"Cool" as he was, Jesus was not a rebel. It was his own nation who had rebelled against the teachings of their God, taking on human tradition as a substitute for God's clear laws in his word. The only rebellious thing about Jesus was his staunch stand for the truth. This is what we are to imitate. (1 Peter 2:21)
Jesus was sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" because the religious system in which they had grown up was corrupted beyond redemption. (Matthew 23:37-39) The "lost sheep" were not valued by their self-righteous shepherds.....Jesus was sent to find those lost ones and rescue them, leading them into a new pasture. He is the "Fine Shepherd" who came to set things straight....the Christian scriptures tell us how he accomplished that. But there was a warning that corruption would also infiltrate Christianity after the death of the apostles. (Acts 20:29-30) The divided state of Christendom is proof that "weeds" infiltrated the church, and led people away to false ideas about Jesus and what he taught. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
Jesus did not try to correct the religious leaders, but outed them for the hypocrites that they were. (Matthew 23) They hated him because he shamed them by exposing how far they had strayed from what God first commanded his people at Mount Sinai.
Looking at history, we can see that Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism. Rather than stick to the truth of God's word, they justify all manner of ways to do what "they" want to do. Nowhere is this more visible than "Christians" in the military or packing weapons. No Christian can even train to kill other humans. (Matthew 5:44-45)
It will not end well for them. (Matthew 7:21-23)
A Christian will take a bullet for his fellow man, but he will never fire one to kill an enemy. That is how you tell the 'wheat from the weeds'.....they can love their enemies without compromising Christ's teachings.
Do you consider yourself a lost sheep?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
You are hurt by these people because you have already learned those lessons they have not. Is it really right to hate those learning lessons you already know? Of course not! Next time this happens Smile then point them in the Right Direction.
No one can guaranty the actions of another. If you attempt to control others, you will end up angry, frustrated and hurt. Is this what is happening to you? Is this really what you want? Do you want to Choose this for yourself?
As I see it, one should copy God. Let's take a few steps back and see how God handles it. God allows everyone free will and free choice. On the other hand, God places knowledge all around so that people can discover the answers.
Sometimes that knowledge is delivered through the interaction with other people. This is where the multilevel classroom comes in. Through all the learning and growing, intelligence will make the best choices in the end.
For those of us who must watch others learning these hard lessons, it is merely a reminder of what the true answers are. See, you KNOW acting like those people is not really a viable choice. They will also learn this too in time.
So when people do crazy hateful choices around me, I take an effort to place knowledge in their eyes. I point them in the right direction taking no effort to control them. You see no one wants to be controlled. That's is why God allows that freedom. The very best learning must come through one's free choice.
I move a grain of sand. One can move a mountain a grain of sand at a time given enough time. I also seek no glory in changing people. If the knowledge I bring does not change them for the better, I know my actions might prepare them to be receptive to the person who will bring that light in their eyes.
I have changed many many people through my lifetime. I find it humorous that with EGO involved, those who have changed think it was their idea all along. On the other hand, each must choose to change for themselves. I merely pointed a good direction.
AS I see it, mankind's greatest problem is that Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Control, just like Hate is one of those petty things so many people value so much. Where does it get you? Those people were trying to Control you. How does it all work out? Let's say it together: NOT GOOD!
I think I've given you enough to think about for now. AS I said before no one can guaranty the actions of another, however we can choose our own actions regardless of the actions others are taking around us.
Yes, I know it's not always easy. On the other hand every step forward brings one closer to learning what that Best choice really is.
Well, there you have it. That's what I am seeing and it's very clear to me.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Same with Hindu Scriptures.
Dharma has been well described.
Following set rules is not easy for (wo)men
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
My Master taught me that the final step is to also let go the idea "I have changed many many people" as this is still EGO
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I don't use "good and evil" phrase
I prefer "dharma and adharma" instead
This takes judgment out of the equation
Yes, and this applies here too. Replace "we" with "I", and I agree, and we probably get along just fine
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
for clarity.....
right and wrong....to moral issues
correct and incorrect.....to questions and answers
good and bad ….to the condition of a thing
good and evil ….to the nature of a spirit
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
When the human brain creates memory, aspects of the limbic system in core of the brain, will add emotional tags to the memory as the memory is written to the cerebral matter. Our memory is composed of sensory content as well as the added emotional tagging. Our strongest memories will always contain the most enduring emotional tags.
This is useful to the animal brain. If the animal was to encounter a similar situation and their previous memory was triggered, they can act upon the attached feeling without having to think. For example, if they find a rare food that they once found was delicious, and this memory is triggered, they will feel that same pleasant feeling, and can eat without having to think and reexamine the food. It is very efficient.
The symbolism of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is connected to law. Law is a set of rules that helps humans differentiates good and evil behavior. Law also helps to condition the emotional tagging process by associating the good with reward, and the evil with fear and punishment.
The problem with law is since good and evil are two opposite things, when law is written to memory, it receives two conflicting emotional tags since good and evil do not overlap. This causes a repression in the human brain. Picture an animal finding food, and their memory triggers both delight and fear. The animal would be frozen in indecision ready to approach and run away, because of the opposing and conflicting feelings. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, describes this tension and indecision, that will need to be resolved in some way; thinking leading to wisdom. Wisdom finds a work around that can resolve the tension.
But in the mean time, since life would be very difficult, if your had to live with conflicting feelings all the time, the unconscious mind will help resolve the conflict by repressing half of the law memory and making the ego conscious of the other side of the law. We have to learn both the good and evil to fully know the law and since it is one thing and we are conscious of one side, the other side may be repressed but it remains active.
For example, the self righteous will not see themselves doing anything wrong even though their law memories contain both good and evil memories as part of a single coin. The evil side is repressed but not dormant. It becomes the basis for unconscious animation; temptation. A preacher may work very hard to be good on the outside, which then represses the dark side of law. This repressed dark side is active and can becomes a subroutine, that causes them to break the law; prostitutes or child molesting,
In terms of good and evil tagging, the animal brain uses both feeling tags, but each is dedicated to very distinct things and situations. They do not use the repression affect called law, which tries to double tag memory, with a polarization of opposing feelings. Jesus dealt with this problems by the forgiveness of sins. Forgiveness of sins neutralizes the fear aspects of law so the binary tagging of law can return to the neutrality of the natural brain.
In nature the animal brain will tag reality based on individual experience. Some things are good and some things need to be avoided. This is clean cut with each getting single tag.
Culture and man, tree of knowledge of good and evil, is based on learned and conditioned group behavior, that may not have anything to do with personal experience; animal memory. This one size fits all approach results in the internal polarization. It can also lead to temptation since this one size may not fit you, based on your own natural experiences.
Jesus did away with group law in an attempt to heal the internal polarization of the human soul, since law is based on one size fits all, and one size does not fit all. Faith in the spirit is about acting as the spirit moves one. This allows one to to gather direct evidence, so the animal brain can use the proper and natural singular tag. Then good and evil is not half of a whole but is distinct by itself based on natural wisdom.
there is no greater love than friendship
friendship | Origin and meaning of friendship by Online Etymology Dictionary
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
You've lost me.....can you please explain what you mean here?
What or whose "name" are you referring to?
Can I assume that you are a gun-loving Southern American?
Perhaps your upbringing is in conflict with the teachings of Christ? What might be your "standard", and "true" for you, may be far removed from what Jesus taught....I have given you scripture to demonstrate the validity of the Christian position....what have you given me except excuses? How are you in a position to make suggestions that to me are against everything Jesus taught? Just sayin'.....
"Cool" as he was, Jesus was not a rebel. It was his own nation who had rebelled against the teachings of their God, taking on human tradition as a substitute for God's clear laws in his word. The only rebellious thing about Jesus was his staunch stand for the truth. This is what we are to imitate. (1 Peter 2:21)
Jesus was sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" because the religious system in which they had grown up was corrupted beyond redemption. (Matthew 23:37-39) The "lost sheep" were not valued by their self-righteous shepherds.....Jesus was sent to find those lost ones and rescue them, leading them into a new pasture. He is the "Fine Shepherd" who came to set things straight....the Christian scriptures tell us how he accomplished that. But there was a warning that corruption would also infiltrate Christianity after the death of the apostles. (Acts 20:29-30) The divided state of Christendom is proof that "weeds" infiltrated the church, and led people away to false ideas about Jesus and what he taught. (1 Corinthians 1:10)
Jesus did not try to correct the religious leaders, but outed them for the hypocrites that they were. (Matthew 23) They hated him because he shamed them by exposing how far they had strayed from what God first commanded his people at Mount Sinai.
Looking at history, we can see that Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism. Rather than stick to the truth of God's word, they justify all manner of ways to do what "they" want to do. Nowhere is this more visible than "Christians" in the military or packing weapons. No Christian can even train to kill other humans. (Matthew 5:44-45)
It will not end well for them. (Matthew 7:21-23)
A Christian will take a bullet for his fellow man, but he will never fire one to kill an enemy. That is how you tell the 'wheat from the weeds'.....they can love their enemies without compromising Christ's teachings.
I don't carry a gun but once did. I've had many over the years. I don't even pack a blade anymore, but will again this I assure you. Gun toting "southern Christian" and it sounds as if you're against our military, which baffles me ... unless you're not American and are against this nation's government and way of life. As for Jesus being an extremest pacifist I'll disagree and here's why. He told his disciples to buy swords. Like I stated prior, it wasn't for show and tell. It doesn't make much sense to show a gun unless and/or until you aim to utilize it, which brings me to conceal carry, If you're packing a gun plain sight, then damn near anyone could size you up quickly and know exactly how to disarm you. Also, it could scare people ... you know ... carrying a gun plain view. It's dangerous to carry a gun plain view. It's not a deterrent in the least ... at least for anyone accustomed to dealing with people with guns ... like our military, police force, and a host of other Americans.
Ok, so Jesus rebuked Pete for drawing his sword and cutting an ear off, but then they had only two swords between them against a trained and armed to the teeth Roman troop. Had he not, the entire crew would have been slaughtered on spot and Jesus' entire life would have been for naught. No one left to tell the stories, no one left to carry on his message, no one left to teach the "good news". So yeah, he told them to buy swords and I'll assume after the fact ... you know, the fact that he was apprehended, beat to a bloody pulp, hung on a cross then put in a tomb because they didn't have the means to protect him, or the manpower. It's different today. We're or rather they're everywhere and many armed to the teeth and yes ... many have become good if not great shepherds like Jesus.
I don't like or enjoy violence, but I fully support self defense and defending your family and community and country against those who would have you killed, beaten, enslaved or what have you. Hey ... Isn't that what our military do in a nut shell? Stand and kill and sometimes die so you, me, and everyone in this country have the freedom to live, exist, and be happy? But yeah ... I understand how some ... JW's are and how they view things, and what not. Do you know anything about the crusades? They symbol was a cross. It was used war time as a symbol of strength and perseverance. Anyway, and for the self righteous who hinder life and freedom and wish to force their doctrine, rules, and religious policies on the rest of us, I'd suggest there are many against this type of religious rule ... Including me. I love this country, and what this countries government was built upon. We have our constitution, declaration of independence, and our bill of rights (amendments included) that afford us all the opportunity to pursue life, liberty and happiness. It's a damn good foundation. Separation of church and state, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc. The right to bear arms, and the others all go hand in hand to help protect us, which include all who are in this country, both citizens and non-citizens.
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Interesting spill that does not apply to me, but thank you just the same. I don't hate people ... I've stated that twice on these boards in just the last two days. I hate what people do. I don't attempt to control others either. I'm not sure why you would even suggest that I do. I hate evil, but I don't view people as evil ... just misguided as I have also stated in the last two days. Umm, would you like to move this to another thread yet to be created? I'll title it Christian Atheism, which sums up my views on spot. We can do a tit for tat or we can discuss reasonably or we can have a nice debate or an ugly one.. that'll be on you entirely.
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
I don't mind being the judge over what I like and dislike. I am a human with that ability ... you know ... to distinguish between what I enjoy and what I don't.
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Moral issue are largely subjective and relative to each individual.
I agree on the second (in part) like I've mentioned before half empty and half full are the same.
Good and bad ... Condition of a thing? Like a car pristine and new or rusted out and inoperable? Or ... people as in they do what I view to be bad things so they must be bad? Or ... as in healthy or unhealthy? Lots of wiggle room with no clear definition or clarity in your post.
Nature of a spirit? Benevolent or malevolent? What about a spirit of wrath or anger when needed to protect someone you love like a child or mother or father?
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
Lots to chew on up there and I agree with much of it. It's like family values clashing with a swinger type lifestyle, but then that isn't always the case and would dare say isn't the case typically. We've spoken about tribe mentality and shepherds and community and whatnot. Every tribe has certain values which aim to protect each tribe. Whether a monogomaous family with children, polygamous family with children polyandrous families with children or all of the above without children ... It's all family based ya know? The problem, as you suggested, rests in the one size fits all mindset. One size doesn't fit all and that's the gist.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I see need for meditation
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
I agree ... It's like a woman and a man are into each other, but situations prevent them from being happy together, so both decide they want the other happy, so instead of being unhappy together they part ways so each can truly pursue happiness. That's a friend, you it's like a sacrifice but not ya know? It's a desire for your friend to be and remain happy with or without you in their lives.