Good-Ole-Rebel
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No it wasn't. It is either a lie or Truth. There is no room for a myth.
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He was a murderer from the beginning.
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No it wasn't. It is either a lie or Truth. There is no room for a myth.
Good-Ole-Rebel
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Ok, so you claim that Matthew was wrong when he said Jesus was a son of David.
Do you also deny he was a son of Abraham?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
You have fallen for the mother of all lies by saying that "Everyone born of Adam is immortal". Immortal means deathless. It means not subject to death. If everyone born of Adam are immortal, then no one is subject to death. If no one is subject to death, then no one needs saving from death.
sooda
Veteran Member
Most of it is borrowed and adapted from the myths of Babylon, Sumer and the Ugaritic texts. In fact the closest we have is Ugaritic which is Canaanite and predated Genesis by 1000 years.
Then the stories from Israel and Judea were different and cobbled together under King Omri.. and later most of it was redacted and amended.
The truth is in the message not as history or science.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Death is but the product of sin. We are saved from our sins. And so will not experience the Second Death. Jesus was immortal in that He was not a sinner. He had no sin. Death had no demand on Him. Just because He wilfully gave up His Spirit and died, does not mean He wasn't immortal.
And, even though His body died, His Spirit lived. Just as does everyone born of Adam. Even those without Christ, when they die, when their body dies, their spirits continue to live. They will get their body back also, only to die again. The Second Death. But their spirits too will continue to live. This is what I mean when I say all born of Adam are immortal. All will live forever somewhere. Death does not annihilate, it simply separates.
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Good-Ole-Rebel
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No. None of it was borrowed or adapted from the myths of Babylon. If it's history or scientific statements are not true, then there is no truth in it's message.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
It's normal for religion to take from previous religion. How else are you going to persuade people in certain areas to abide by a completely new religion? They have to feel comfortable enough with the new one in some ways or it's too scary to make the change. It was taken from Zoroastrianism, and Mesopotamian, Roman and Greek myth.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
You should read up on it. It's interesting and eye opening...even mind opening...ooh, scary. lol
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Jesus isn't a ben-adam.
Matthew 1:18-20
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No, I'm not claiming that Matthew is wrong. What you are claiming, that jeshua is a ben-adam, is wrong.
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sooda
Veteran Member
There is too much hard evidence to the contrary..too many contradictions and anachronisms.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Just so much BS. I hear it all the time.
You say 'if it is a completely new religion'. Well, if it is based upon something previous, it isn't completely new...is it.
You're scared. I can tell. And you should be with your beliefs. As you believe contrary to the Biblical faith.
So, stay in your 'scary' condition if you like. Myself, I have no fear and no doubt.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Oh gee. You go ahead and believe your 'hard evidence'. I will believe the Scripture.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Not scared at all. Of what? I was scared of facts when I was right wing Christian. I'm not Christian or Jewish, so it doesn't matter whether I am biblical or not.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Oh. Well, you indicated you were. Yes, yes, everybody used to be.
Good-Ole-Rebel
sooda
Veteran Member
Scripture is didactic literature NOT history or science. Do you believe Aesop's Fables? They were written about the same time. Do you believe in Pecos Bill and Paul Bunyan?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Would you care to explain how Matthew says Jesus is son of David and you say he is not?
Either Jesus is son of David or he is not. Both you and Matthew can not be correct. Please explain.
Also, you claim that Jesus is not a ben-adam. Please explain, because Luke traces Jesus all the way back to Adam.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
I was from 1987-2015.
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
Scripture is the Word of God.
No, I don't believe in Aesop's Fables. Nor, Pecos Bill. Nor Paul Bunyan.
Good-Ole-Rebel
sooda
Veteran Member
Do you believe the sun stands still or someone can live inside a fish or walk on water?
Good-Ole-Rebel
Well-Known Member
As I said, all atheists like to say that now. It somehow lends credence to their status as an atheist. "Oh I used to be a Christian, but now I broke free from those chains and bonds and saw the light and don't believe in God anymore." It is an old story.
How about this, there never was a time when I didn't believe. And still do. Even in rebellious times, I always believed. So, does that mean anything to you?
Good-Ole-Rebel